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[padraic stack <padraic.stack@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Lukasz,

"
With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
architecture from armhf to arm64"

That's interesting. I don't know much at all about the different arm
variants. I have been reading a little about it since your post.

I wonder if you could comment on why the move to arm64 is beneficial? I get
that arm64 is technically better than the 32bit version but are there other
benefits?

For anyone else interested these are articles I found useful:

https://arc.applause.com/cards/arm-64-bit-processors-future-mobile/
http://www.androidauthority.com/arms-64-bit-architecture-is-good-for-developers-407346/

All the best,

Padraic


On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Lukasz Zemczak <
lukasz.zemczak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hey!
>
> With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
> architecture from armhf to arm64, which is another big complication
> for some of our existing phones on the market. For now we are focusing
> all our touch efforts on the M10 platform family.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 08:08, Fabio Colella <fcole90@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > you can find the requirements here:
> > https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Fabio
> >
> > On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner <gameldar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
> >> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
> >>
> >> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to
> be
> >> compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that
> will be
> >> so I can tinker with UT in the future.
> >>
> >> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
> >> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
> >> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list
> instead -
> >> although there was a question back in December basically asking that
> with no
> >> reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version
> as
> >> 3.10.
> >>
> >> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4,
> while
> >> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
> >> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
> >> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is
> still
> >> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the
> FlymeOS
> >> update coming this year would result in the potential to support snaps.
> >>
> >> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango <seth.ciango@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
> >>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
> >>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
> >>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering
> questions are
> >>> all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical
> seems
> >>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be
> content with
> >>> an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
> >>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
> >>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep
> it
> >>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time
> sensitive for
> >>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
> >>>
> >>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
> >>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone,
> but
> >>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
> >>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine
> for
> >>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that
> and
> >>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to
> replace
> >>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
> >>>
> >>> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
> >>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
> >>>
> >>> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
> >>> there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even
> worked on.
> >>>
> >>> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a
> good
> >>> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer
> kernel
> >>> and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers'
> hands
> >>> are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner <gameldar@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the
> Meizu
> >>>> Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to
> choose in
> >>>> the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for
> mine
> >>>> which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was
> going
> >>>> to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it
> died
> >>>> before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became
> tracking
> >>>> the postage back to China.
> >>>>
> >>>> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
> >>>> year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the
> phone
> >>>> will be able to run snaps)?
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I
> was
> >>>> just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've
> read
> >>>> suggested they a solidly built phone.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Kirk
> >>>>
> >>>> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango <seth.ciango@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Pat,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the
> >>>>> current BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine
> when a
> >>>>> Xenial image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe
> their
> >>>>> phones with a new Xenial image?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
> >>>>> Xenial development?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially
> >>>>> functioning Xenial image?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still
> seems
> >>>>> to be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL
> current
> >>>>> Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>> Seth
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan
> >>>>> <pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, <gareth.france@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
> >>>>>>>> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks all for your patience
> >>>>>>>> Pat
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
> >>>>>>> current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone
> happy. If we
> >>>>>>> understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the
> silence.
> >>>>>>> Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money
> to
> >>>>>>> replace my phone!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
> >>>>>>> support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and
> >>>>>> testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this
> point.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Pat
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>> Gareth
> >>>>>>>
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