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[Lukasz Zemczak <lukasz.zemczak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hey!

With the switch to snaps we also made a decision to switch our target
architecture from armhf to arm64, which is another big complication
for some of our existing phones on the market. For now we are focusing
all our touch efforts on the M10 platform family.

Cheers,


On 10 January 2017 at 08:08, Fabio Colella <fcole90@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
> you can find the requirements here:
> https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/wiki/Distributions
>
> Cheers,
> Fabio
>
> On 10 January 2017 at 05:14, Kirk Turner <gameldar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for responding. My phone has only just arrived back in China so I
>> still have a day or so before I find out what is happening!
>>
>> I was really enjoying my phone before it died. But if it isn't going to be
>> compatible with snaps then I'm sorely tempted to find something that will be
>> so I can tinker with UT in the future.
>>
>> I guess my question now is what is the base requirements that are needed
>> for snaps? Searching through the snaps requirements I can't find this
>> anywhere (and perhaps I need to ask on the snapcraft mailing list instead -
>> although there was a question back in December basically asking that with no
>> reply). However for example Docker lists it's minimum as kernel version as
>> 3.10.
>>
>> The Meizu Pro 5 has a kernel version of 3.10. BQ Aquaris E5 is 3.4, while
>> the M10 source is up to 3.18 (as is the LG V20 for example for a newly
>> released phone). The interesting thing is something like the Moto G4 is
>> rolling out Nougat - but it hasn't updated the kernel version (it is still
>> on 3.10) - so that potentially answers my question about whether the FlymeOS
>> update coming this year would result in the potential to support snaps.
>>
>> On 10 January 2017 at 01:48, Seth Ciango <seth.ciango@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> "Contributions aren't just limited to code. One of the things we've
>>> always said from the beginning of Ubuntu is that all contributions are
>>> valuable. It's not just the code contributions. The translations and
>>> documentation and advocacy and events and asking and answering questions are
>>> all valued just as much as code contributions." --Jane Silber
>>>
>>> Unfortunately for Kirk, getting a straight answer out of Canonical seems
>>> impossible right now. I think he and many other people would be content with
>>> an honest, "I don't know. We're not certain right now." I hope the
>>> communication improves soon. I understand that some people may not be
>>> allowed to answer certain questions at the moment.
>>>
>>> However, Kirk bought a $300+ phone and is wondering if he should keep it
>>> or get a refund. So his inquiry is perhaps a little more time sensitive for
>>> him, and I'm surprised that no one has responded.
>>>
>>> Well, Kirk, I have not seen anybody confirm that the Meizu Pro 5 will
>>> receive any meaningful updates in the future. It is a beautiful phone, but
>>> it may not be fully functional for you and may never become your daily
>>> driver. The bluetooth headset functionality does not work. It is fine for
>>> listening to music but not for taking calls. If you are ok with that and
>>> just want to tinker, then you'll be fine. If you want the phone to replace
>>> your current phone as your daily driver, you may want a refund.
>>>
>>> This bug report will give you more information on the headphone issue:
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/canonical-devices-system-image/+bug/1590844
>>>
>>> As you can see, the bug and the contributors have been abandoned and
>>> there is no indication that the bug will ever be resolved or even worked on.
>>>
>>> If the Meizu Pro 5 receives a snap-based distro upgrade, there is a good
>>> chance that the bug and many other bugs will be resolved by the newer kernel
>>> and newer software. As of right now, it looks like the programmers' hands
>>> are tied, and they can not fix such a critical bug.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 6:10 AM, Kirk Turner <gameldar@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm certainly interested to know what that state will be with the Meizu
>>>> Pro 5... as I'm in the interesting position that I might get to choose in
>>>> the next few days whether I get a replacement Pro 5 or a refund for mine
>>>> which died a month after I bought it. I got a Flyme OS one and it was going
>>>> to be my Christmas holiday project converting it to Ubuntu... but it died
>>>> before I got the opportunity and so the Christmas project became tracking
>>>> the postage back to China.
>>>>
>>>> I know there is talk about upgrading Flyme OS to be Nougat based this
>>>> year - but would that necessarily see kernel upgrades (such that the phone
>>>> will be able to run snaps)?
>>>>
>>>> I guess the related question is from others that have the Pro 5 if I was
>>>> just very unlucky or others have had hardware issues? Everything I've read
>>>> suggested they a solidly built phone.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kirk
>>>>
>>>> On 6 January 2017 at 01:26, Seth Ciango <seth.ciango@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat,
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you clarify something that others keep bringing up. Are the
>>>>> current BQ and Meizu devices going to be left to wither on the vine when a
>>>>> Xenial image is released or will users be able to flash and wipe their
>>>>> phones with a new Xenial image?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a current phone on the market that is the target for future
>>>>> Xenial development?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a current phone on the market that runs a partially
>>>>> functioning Xenial image?
>>>>>
>>>>> You've probably answered these questions already, but there still seems
>>>>> to be some confusion since it sounds like you are saying that ALL current
>>>>> Ubuntu phones are End-of-Life and that no new phones currently exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Seth
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Pat McGowan
>>>>> <pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 10:24 AM, <gareth.france@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would add the Unity8 desktop needs parity with
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the current Unity7 desktop as we are also still planning to use
>>>>>>>> Unity8 as the default shell in Ubuntu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks all for your patience
>>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the clarity. Those few messages we have had stating the
>>>>>>> current logic and plans is all that was needed to keep everyone happy. If we
>>>>>>> understand what is going on then nobody begins to worry about the silence.
>>>>>>> Looking forward to every bit of it except having to find the money to
>>>>>>> replace my phone!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just one thing, several people have said the current phones won't
>>>>>>> support the snaps but what about the M10 tablet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are working on a reference image for the M10 for development and
>>>>>> testing work but this is not intended for "production" use at this point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Gareth
>>>>>>>
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