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[David Siegel <david.siegel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

If you're not actively using Rhythmbox but would like to continue
listening to music, just minimize it normally. It's silly to have a
second place to minimize to, because this creates additional mental
burden for users who would then need to ask "did I minimize it to the
window list, or to the little icon thing?" The only reason we
currently have minimize to system tray is because a very small group
of sophisticated users want Rhythmbox to sometimes launch minimized,
and to sometimes minimize without placing an entry in the window list.
This is highly specialized behavior that provides small convenience
for a small group of users, and great inconvenience for most users.

David

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Shane Fagan
<shanepatrickfagan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 23:43 +1200, Benjamin Humphrey wrote:
>> I agree with David.
>>
>>
>> Fix the bug with Rhythmbox opening in the last state, and let's do
>> that very soon. It's been around for two years, which is far too long.
>>
>>
>> I don't agree that minimize should minimize to the notification area,
>> and close should close the program for those particular applications.
>> We'd only be creating another problem - people would expect it to
>> minimize to the window list/dock/whatever they're using for window
>> management, like all other programs.
>>
>
> Ill give up on the idea to use the minimise button :)
>
>>
>> I think because these particular apps are designed to run in the
>> background and are used often when multitasking, we should keep the
>> close button minimizing to the notification area unless they
>> specifically choose "Quit."
>
> I still dont think that its right to use the close button. Thats why I
> suggested in my last email making another button just to minimise to the
> notification area.
>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Shane Fagan
>> <shanepatrickfagan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>         Hmmmm would it be crazy if I propose making a different button
>>         for
>>         minimising to the notification area? Its just if the close
>>         button means
>>         close the program in most users mind and the minimise button
>>         means
>>         leaving the window open but hiding it away, then what should
>>         the new
>>         user expect to minimise into the notification area?
>>
>>         On the opening rhythmbox and empathy I think the window should
>>         be opened
>>         always and never open hidden away in the notification area.
>>
>>
>>         -fagan
>>
>>
>>         On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 12:17 +0100, David Siegel wrote:
>>         > I witnessed this bug biting users many times over the 11
>>         hours of user
>>         > testing we conducted over the past couple weeks. User opens
>>         > Rhythmbox... and it appears as if nothing has happened.
>>         Empathy
>>         > sometimes has the same problem. Both of these issues have
>>         been
>>         > reported as paper cuts for a while, but there is reluctance
>>         to change
>>         > the behavior because upstream considers it a feature.
>>         They're wrong,
>>         > it's broken, let's fix it.
>>         >
>>         > David
>>         >
>>         > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Conscious User
>>         <conscioususer@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>         > >
>>         > >> Just because other programs are doing it doesnt make the
>>         functionality
>>         > >> correct. Why cant the minimise button be the one that
>>         minimises to the
>>         > >> notification area? Its how its done with Windows media
>>         player from what
>>         > >> I remember too.
>>         > >
>>         > > But then you are replacing an unexpected functionality
>>         with *another*
>>         > > unexpected functionality... I know I would be surprised in
>>         seeing that
>>         > > the program went to the tray instead of the taskbar...
>>         > >
>>         > >
>>         > >
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>> Benjamin Humphrey
>>
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