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Re: Some impressions about the current status of Unity
On Sat, Feb 25, 2012 at 17:52, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
> On 25. feb. 2012 16:38, Adrian Maier wrote:
>> There is a possibility to browse by categories. I know that you know this.
>> Perhaps you should explain why Windows' way of doing it is better?
>> Because they've found a way to add an improvement (search applications
>> by name) without removing the traditional folder-based navigation of
>> "All Programs" .
> Yes, but you're still not explaining why that would be better.
I don't think it's possible to convince you about that.
>> It isn't missing. It works a little bit different than what you're used
>> but it does exist.
>> Michael Hall was saying that the Dash is designed for searching , not
>> for browsing the applications. This explains why it's not the
>> feature that i was looking for.
>> But you are the one who told me that in order to get a classic-looking
>> apps menu it's possible to load the gnome panel !
>> Therefore : in Unity itself there is no component designed/intended
>> to act as a category-based browser .
> We have that. Just used filters. The preferred way of launching stuff is not
> to browse for them, but to quickly launch them using either the list of
> frequent applications or to search. But browsing by category is certainly
It's possible , but not comfortable . Using the filters requires too
much clicking (see below) .
>>>> The first step would be to see that the need for such a feature is at
>>>> least acknowledged.
>>> Then you have to be more convincing. So far, you've claimed that it is
>>> required, but I don't think you've explained why. To me, it sounds as if
>>> want to change the behavior because you're not used to it.
>> Please enlighten me : from your point of view the feature is already
>> there , or you want me to demonstrate why should it be introduced ?
> You open the applications lens and then choose the category you want. I
> don't really understand the problem, which is why I keep asking you for an
> explanation. But you don't provide any.
The problem is the high number of clicks needed to have the job done :
- click on dash ,
- click on "search applications" ,
- click on "Filters" ,
- click on "Local Apps" ,
- click on "Games" ,
- click on "see more results"
After doing all those clicks I am finally getting the complete list of
Games. Clicking 6 times for seeing all the installed Games is way too
If I want to move to another category it's necessary to click 2 times :
- click on "Games" to unselect it
- click on "Internet"
Therefore I tend to agree with the people who mentioned that the Dash
is designed for search , not for apps navigation in directory-style .
Navigation inside the Dash could be improved a bit if the changes
mentioned by Omar were implemented.
By the way : i have also tried it "the Unity way " .
- press Super , to open the dash
- type "games"
- it shows me only "Aisleriot Solitaire "
- if i type "game"
- it shows me 2 games : "Aisleriot Solitaire " and "Freecell Solitaire"
Actually there are 2 more games installed : Mahjongg and Minesweeper.
Not impressed at all about these search results. Hopefully this is
just a bug in the 12.04 beta .
>> The feature needs to exist before discussing whether it should be the
>> default or not .
>> But anyway I am not asking any changes of the defaults.
> It isn't obvious what "the feature" means. This is the Unity Design list,
> though. It's perfectly possible to make all kinds of different third-party
> programs, but that doesn't really belong on this list, I think.
"the feature" = navigate applications in a directory-style in an
easy, comfortable way .
By easy I mean : no unnecessary clicks, and possibility to go from
one category to another with at most 1 click (preferably 0 clicks :
mouse hover) .
It can be a classic apps menu , or can be an improved Dash , or
can be some new fancy-looking categories browser that allows easy
This discussion belongs here, because in principle a designer might
be curious to hear about specific aspects that makes some user(s)
>> Especially now after trying the
>> https://launchpad.net/classicmenu-indicator . It provides me what I
>> was missing , and it's not even necessary to use the gnome panel.
>> Hopefully this package will be available in the real repositories
>> someday (now it's in ppa).
> I personally think that's not the right place for it, since it doesn't
> indicate anything.
It indicates that I no longer intend to spend too much energy with
discussing on this topic .
>From my point of view the issue is solved : now I am aware about
several possibilities that will allow me to happily use Unity without
cursing every 5 minutes .