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[Thomas Plastino Martin <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

As Matthew was saying, I think that instead of using a PMS, and instead of
using an install of Whube on whube.com, we could create it as a small
informational/general use site for the front end, with a 'hub' when you log
in as a team member.  Inside the team area would have an 'at a glance'
update list that pulls update information from Github, Launchpad,
bugs.whube, etc.  From there we'd have a 'toolbox' with links to our various
locations around the web.  Perhaps we could use the API to push bugs from
this site to bugs.whube as well.

This is by no means a solidified list. The whole point with my idea is that
we should use the tools we have and create our own 'pms' like system instead
of adding another layer of organization/workflow/team bureaucracy.  We are
able bodied people and I think that we would do well to build ourself a
system that works for us instead of beating into submission someone else's
project.

Thomas Plastino Martin
https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
http://tenach.net


On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, matthew byers <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > Paultag W00T!!
> > Well for the most part we have...
> > i vote for codendi Project Management System
> > tenach votes for turning whube.com into what we need in the form of a
> > customized pms catered to the needs of whube.
> > As myself, tenach and DW were discussing last night, we have the tools in
> > place right now to make the team effective but they arent being utilized.
> > From my eyes i was wanting a central hub where we all can
> work/communicate
> > and tenach wants the same but basically by using whube.com as our 'hub'
> that
> > holds on the links needed for whube. Tenach can better explain because it
> > sounds as if im jacking his idea all up so ill shut up here! LOL. Simply
> put
> > i vote for a PMS...whether it be codendi or whube.com customized to what
> we
> > need from a pms viewpoint...we just need SOMETHING!! :P
> > DW is currently reviewing all aspects and planning out something for the
> > team also! W00T!!
>
> Sick, awesome. Just tell me what I need to do after ya'll figure out
> where you want this to go
>
> -Tag
>
>
> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> This is some good conversation right here.
> >>
> >> I agree, we are a mess. So, let's work this out.
> >>
> >> both tenach and stlsaint -- come up with a ( short ) gameplan ( each )
> >> and we'll use those to make the decision on where to go. I think it's
> >> good to review all the choices we can.
> >>
> >> -Tag
> >>
> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM, matthew byers <
> faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I fully agree with ya! Majority input takes precedence!
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> > <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> A project management system is just one way to go about it.  If the
> >> >> majority of the team wanted to use one, I would be for it.  It really
> >> >> comes
> >> >> down to what the team wants vs. what the individual wants.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >> http://tenach.net
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM, matthew byers
> >> >> <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Alright so if we are not going to go with idea of a pms than
> >> >>> we definitely need a "central" hub of location. As you said, mailing
> >> >>> list,
> >> >>> irc, lp, git, docs, all these have different uses and yet we really
> >> >>> don't
> >> >>> interact as a team. Docs team wont talk to devs, etc etc. But then
> >> >>> again we
> >> >>> do have irc so maybe that can be our communication but what if
> >> >>> decisions are
> >> >>> made there when someone isn't there?? Tenach brings up a valid point
> >> >>> of
> >> >>> turning whube.com into something more for our hub. I like the idea
> of
> >> >>> customizing and developing whube.com to be our tools/info page. But
> i
> >> >>> will
> >> >>> say this for the last time is that in my mind, a pms is looking real
> >> >>> handy
> >> >>> right now but i have no shame in learning the best practices for a
> >> >>> team.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>> <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> According to Launchpad, we use it for 'Answers'
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>>> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>> http://tenach.net
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>>> <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> http://bugs.whube.com - our own bug tracking.
> >> >>>>> http://github.com/whube/whube - our source code versioning
> >> >>>>> http://launchpad.net/whube - blueprints, and some other stuff.
> I'm
> >> >>>>> confused about LP (for whube and in general).
> >> >>>>> http://docs.whube.com - A wiki for documentation and other
> >> >>>>> whube-related information
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> These are all that I know of besides my +1 version of Whube at
> >> >>>>> http://bugs.thescoundrels.org
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>>>> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>>> http://tenach.net
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM, David Wonderly
> >> >>>>> <david.wonderly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Ok, as I was saying I need the locations of all of the Status
> >> >>>>>> reports,
> >> >>>>>> TODO
> >> >>>>>> List, tasking etc we have littered throughout the place. If you
> >> >>>>>> have a
> >> >>>>>> created
> >> >>>>>> anything regarding this please send it to me. :)
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> -DW
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:27:08 pm Thomas Plastino
> Martin
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> > I've never until today heard of Codendi (Codeni is completely
> >> >>>>>> > different and
> >> >>>>>> > not related to project management).  It looks interesting.
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> > We have docs.whube for wiki/documentaiton, we have launchpad
> for
> >> >>>>>> > blueprints
> >> >>>>>> > and other things, whube itself for bug tracking... I think we
> >> >>>>>> > need
> >> >>>>>> > to use
> >> >>>>>> > what we have instead of looking for a larger project to use.
> >> >>>>>> >  Between
> >> >>>>>> > those, IRC and this list, I think we can obtain any goals we
> set
> >> >>>>>> > for
> >> >>>>>> > ourselves.  We just need to apply ourselves to more "doing",
> and
> >> >>>>>> > not
> >> >>>>>> > just
> >> >>>>>> > talking about doing.
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> > Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>>>>> > https://launchpad.net/~tenach<https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach><
> https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>>>> > http://tenach.net
> >> >>>>>> >
> >> >>>>>> > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:04 PM, matthew byers
> >> >>>>>> <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >> >>>>>> > > Alright so i would like to nominate: Codeni community
> version.
> >> >>>>>> > > It
> >> >>>>>> > > is full
> >> >>>>>> > > of modifiable features and is stable. I really like the idea
> of
> >> >>>>>> > > a
> >> >>>>>> > > "all in
> >> >>>>>> > > one" type of system which is why i like the larger
> >> >>>>>> > > applications.
> >> >>>>>> > > But as i
> >> >>>>>> > > spoke with tenach who has more experience in this area than i
> >> >>>>>> > > do
> >> >>>>>> > > he
> >> >>>>>> > > pointed out that maybe we dont need the large applications.
> But
> >> >>>>>> > > i
> >> >>>>>> > > cant
> >> >>>>>> > > help but notice all the features the larger platforms offer.
> I
> >> >>>>>> > > am
> >> >>>>>> > > a fan
> >> >>>>>> > > of the wiki/doc additions, plus the repository feature as the
> >> >>>>>> > > GIT
> >> >>>>>> > > module
> >> >>>>>> > > is added to the new release of codeni. I have attached the
> >> >>>>>> > > brochure
> >> >>>>>> > > explaining more on this option. Either way i feel we need
> >> >>>>>> > > something. Be
> >> >>>>>> > > it collabtiv or codeni or whatever. Whube needs some
> >> >>>>>> > > organization!!!
> >> >>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>> > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin <
> >> >>>>>> > >
> >> >>>>>> > > thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> > >> Ah, Redmine! I totally forgot about that Rails app.  We
> were,
> >> >>>>>> > >> for
> >> >>>>>> > >> about
> >> >>>>>> > >> four months, using Redmine as our main project management
> >> >>>>>> > >> system
> >> >>>>>> > >> in my
> >> >>>>>> > >> business.  We had migrated over from Trac which was not
> >> >>>>>> > >> fitting
> >> >>>>>> > >> our
> >> >>>>>> > >> needs. While Redmine had some awesome features and it was
> >> >>>>>> > >> working
> >> >>>>>> > >> pretty well for us, it had a lot of excess built right in.
>  I
> >> >>>>>> > >> do
> >> >>>>>> > >> not
> >> >>>>>> > >> know exactly what was causing it, but either Redmine and/or
> >> >>>>>> > >> Ruby
> >> >>>>>> > >> on
> >> >>>>>> > >> Rails was not working as it should, and I often found myself
> >> >>>>>> > >> having to
> >> >>>>>> > >> fix Redmine so we could continue to log in and use it.
>  After
> >> >>>>>> > >> four
> >> >>>>>> > >> months we migrated to Collabtiv, which was much smaller in
> >> >>>>>> > >> terms
> >> >>>>>> > >> of
> >> >>>>>> > >> built in features, but suited us a little better. We used
> that
> >> >>>>>> > >> up
> >> >>>>>> > >> until
> >> >>>>>> > >> we split, and now I don't really use any yet.
> >> >>>>>> > >>
> >> >>>>>> > >> If we were to go this route, I'd vote for Collabtiv unless
> we
> >> >>>>>> > >> find
> >> >>>>>> > >> something better.
> >> >>>>>> > >>
> >> >>>>>> > >>
> >> >>>>>> > >> Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>>>>> > >> https://launchpad.net/~tenach<https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>>>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>>>> > >> http://tenach.net
> >> >>>>>> > >>
> >> >>>>>> > >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:47 PM, matthew byers
> >> >>>>>> <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >> >>>>>> > >>> This issue occured to me today as i was going through some
> >> >>>>>> > >>> whube
> >> >>>>>> > >>> pages
> >> >>>>>> > >>> in my bookmarks and realized i had over 6 seperate pages of
> >> >>>>>> > >>> whube
> >> >>>>>> > >>> stuff trying to juggle. Thus the idea of project management
> >> >>>>>> > >>> came
> >> >>>>>> > >>> up
> >> >>>>>> > >>> and tenach felt the same way i did. Though i dont speak for
> >> >>>>>> > >>> everyone i
> >> >>>>>> > >>> feel as if those who are not direct devs of whube are not
> in
> >> >>>>>> > >>> the
> >> >>>>>> > >>> loop
> >> >>>>>> > >>> as to the "status" of whube. And i really dont know when
> its
> >> >>>>>> > >>> my
> >> >>>>>> > >>> turn
> >> >>>>>> > >>> as the wiki guy to jump in and turn out some docs. With
> some
> >> >>>>>> > >>> sort of
> >> >>>>>> > >>> project management system we all can be on one accord  as
> >> >>>>>> > >>> tenach
> >> >>>>>> > >>> has
> >> >>>>>> > >>> already described. Doing some research i came across
> redmine
> >> >>>>>> > >>> and
> >> >>>>>> > >>> though i have never used it it looks really feature rich.
> >> >>>>>> > >>> http://www.redmine.org/
> >> >>>>>> > >>> http://www.redmine.org/wiki/redmine/Features
> >> >>>>>> > >>> With redmine we manage repos from git and other version
> >> >>>>>> > >>> controls, setup
> >> >>>>>> > >>> wiki/docs, track bugs and whube feature additions, assign
> >> >>>>>> > >>> teams/roles
> >> >>>>>> > >>> and we do this all in one location as they get organized
> and
> >> >>>>>> > >>> setup
> >> >>>>>> > >>> then when they are all pretty and ready for the world we
> >> >>>>>> > >>> migrate
> >> >>>>>> > >>> them
> >> >>>>>> > >>> to their appropriate web pages: ie: bugs.whube, docs.whube,
> >> >>>>>> > >>> etc.
> >> >>>>>> > >>> We
> >> >>>>>> > >>> already have a project manager so he can head up the
> project
> >> >>>>>> > >>> management system! Just my thoughts....
> >> >>>>>> > >>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin <
> >> >>>>>> > >>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>> tenach@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Hello everyone,
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> We need to organize Whube in a serious manner.  At present
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> we
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> do not
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> have a solid goal for the future past our list for DD.
>  This
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> team is
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> growing and now we're in need of some sort of system in
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> place
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> where
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> we can all stay 'in the loop'.  So far we have docs.whube,
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> bugs.whube
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> and Launchpad.  I think that we need to start actively
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> putting
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> our
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> team organization together, so that we all know who is
> doing
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> what,
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> where we're going, etc.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> stlsaint suggested using a project management system like
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Pier.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>  I
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> have only really worked with Trac and Collabtiv, both of
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> which
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> I am
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> not too fond of (I prefer Collabtiv over Trac any day
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> though).
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>  I
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> think it might be a good idea, though I was under the
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> impression we
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> were going to use Launchpad for team stuff, such as
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> milestones/blueprints/whatnot.  However, this confuses me.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Launchpad
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> is confusing too.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Anyway.  What are we going to do?
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> * We need to have an outline for the future of Whube.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> * We should state clearly how we are going to use
> Launchpad,
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> and use
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> it as such.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> * There is more, but I do not remember off the top of my
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> head
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> at the
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> moment.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Whube has potential to be awesome, we just need to realize
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> the
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> path
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> and figure out exactly how we are going to go about it.  I
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> think that
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> the days of freeform coding are (mostly) over, at least
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> until
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> we have
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> a solid understanding of everyone's contributions.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.  Hopefully I'm not
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> way
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> off
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> base with this.
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Thomas Plastino Martin
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> https://launchpad.net/~tenach<https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> http://tenach.net
> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
> >> >>>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________
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> >> >>>>>> > >>> --
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> >> >>>>>> > >>>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
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> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > God Bless
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.
> >>
> >> #define sizeof(x) rand()
> >> :wq
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > God Bless
> >
>
>
>
> --
> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.
>
> #define sizeof(x) rand()
> :wq
>