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Re: Organizing Whube Team

 

Im game for that idea!

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin <
thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> As Matthew was saying, I think that instead of using a PMS, and instead of
> using an install of Whube on whube.com, we could create it as a small
> informational/general use site for the front end, with a 'hub' when you log
> in as a team member.  Inside the team area would have an 'at a glance'
> update list that pulls update information from Github, Launchpad,
> bugs.whube, etc.  From there we'd have a 'toolbox' with links to our various
> locations around the web.  Perhaps we could use the API to push bugs from
> this site to bugs.whube as well.
>
> This is by no means a solidified list. The whole point with my idea is that
> we should use the tools we have and create our own 'pms' like system instead
> of adding another layer of organization/workflow/team bureaucracy.  We are
> able bodied people and I think that we would do well to build ourself a
> system that works for us instead of beating into submission someone else's
> project.
>
>
> Thomas Plastino Martin
> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
> http://tenach.net
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, matthew byers <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Paultag W00T!!
>> > Well for the most part we have...
>> > i vote for codendi Project Management System
>> > tenach votes for turning whube.com into what we need in the form of a
>> > customized pms catered to the needs of whube.
>> > As myself, tenach and DW were discussing last night, we have the tools
>> in
>> > place right now to make the team effective but they arent being
>> utilized.
>> > From my eyes i was wanting a central hub where we all can
>> work/communicate
>> > and tenach wants the same but basically by using whube.com as our 'hub'
>> that
>> > holds on the links needed for whube. Tenach can better explain because
>> it
>> > sounds as if im jacking his idea all up so ill shut up here! LOL. Simply
>> put
>> > i vote for a PMS...whether it be codendi or whube.com customized to
>> what we
>> > need from a pms viewpoint...we just need SOMETHING!! :P
>> > DW is currently reviewing all aspects and planning out something for the
>> > team also! W00T!!
>>
>> Sick, awesome. Just tell me what I need to do after ya'll figure out
>> where you want this to go
>>
>> -Tag
>>
>>
>> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Paul Tagliamonte <paultag@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This is some good conversation right here.
>> >>
>> >> I agree, we are a mess. So, let's work this out.
>> >>
>> >> both tenach and stlsaint -- come up with a ( short ) gameplan ( each )
>> >> and we'll use those to make the decision on where to go. I think it's
>> >> good to review all the choices we can.
>> >>
>> >> -Tag
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 12:49 AM, matthew byers <
>> faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I fully agree with ya! Majority input takes precedence!
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:44 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> > <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A project management system is just one way to go about it.  If the
>> >> >> majority of the team wanted to use one, I would be for it.  It
>> really
>> >> >> comes
>> >> >> down to what the team wants vs. what the individual wants.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >> http://tenach.net
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:16 PM, matthew byers
>> >> >> <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Alright so if we are not going to go with idea of a pms than
>> >> >>> we definitely need a "central" hub of location. As you said,
>> mailing
>> >> >>> list,
>> >> >>> irc, lp, git, docs, all these have different uses and yet we really
>> >> >>> don't
>> >> >>> interact as a team. Docs team wont talk to devs, etc etc. But then
>> >> >>> again we
>> >> >>> do have irc so maybe that can be our communication but what if
>> >> >>> decisions are
>> >> >>> made there when someone isn't there?? Tenach brings up a valid
>> point
>> >> >>> of
>> >> >>> turning whube.com into something more for our hub. I like the idea
>> of
>> >> >>> customizing and developing whube.com to be our tools/info page.
>> But i
>> >> >>> will
>> >> >>> say this for the last time is that in my mind, a pms is looking
>> real
>> >> >>> handy
>> >> >>> right now but i have no shame in learning the best practices for a
>> >> >>> team.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>> <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> According to Launchpad, we use it for 'Answers'
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>>> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>> http://tenach.net
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>>> <thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> http://bugs.whube.com - our own bug tracking.
>> >> >>>>> http://github.com/whube/whube - our source code versioning
>> >> >>>>> http://launchpad.net/whube - blueprints, and some other stuff.
>> I'm
>> >> >>>>> confused about LP (for whube and in general).
>> >> >>>>> http://docs.whube.com - A wiki for documentation and other
>> >> >>>>> whube-related information
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> These are all that I know of besides my +1 version of Whube at
>> >> >>>>> http://bugs.thescoundrels.org
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>>>> https://launchpad.net/~tenach <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>>> http://tenach.net
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 8:01 PM, David Wonderly
>> >> >>>>> <david.wonderly@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Ok, as I was saying I need the locations of all of the Status
>> >> >>>>>> reports,
>> >> >>>>>> TODO
>> >> >>>>>> List, tasking etc we have littered throughout the place. If you
>> >> >>>>>> have a
>> >> >>>>>> created
>> >> >>>>>> anything regarding this please send it to me. :)
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> -DW
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Saturday, September 11, 2010 10:27:08 pm Thomas Plastino
>> Martin
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> > I've never until today heard of Codendi (Codeni is completely
>> >> >>>>>> > different and
>> >> >>>>>> > not related to project management).  It looks interesting.
>> >> >>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>> > We have docs.whube for wiki/documentaiton, we have launchpad
>> for
>> >> >>>>>> > blueprints
>> >> >>>>>> > and other things, whube itself for bug tracking... I think we
>> >> >>>>>> > need
>> >> >>>>>> > to use
>> >> >>>>>> > what we have instead of looking for a larger project to use.
>> >> >>>>>> >  Between
>> >> >>>>>> > those, IRC and this list, I think we can obtain any goals we
>> set
>> >> >>>>>> > for
>> >> >>>>>> > ourselves.  We just need to apply ourselves to more "doing",
>> and
>> >> >>>>>> > not
>> >> >>>>>> > just
>> >> >>>>>> > talking about doing.
>> >> >>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>> > Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>>>>> > https://launchpad.net/~tenach<https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach><
>> https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>>>> > http://tenach.net
>> >> >>>>>> >
>> >> >>>>>> > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 7:04 PM, matthew byers
>> >> >>>>>> <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> > > Alright so i would like to nominate: Codeni community
>> version.
>> >> >>>>>> > > It
>> >> >>>>>> > > is full
>> >> >>>>>> > > of modifiable features and is stable. I really like the idea
>> of
>> >> >>>>>> > > a
>> >> >>>>>> > > "all in
>> >> >>>>>> > > one" type of system which is why i like the larger
>> >> >>>>>> > > applications.
>> >> >>>>>> > > But as i
>> >> >>>>>> > > spoke with tenach who has more experience in this area than
>> i
>> >> >>>>>> > > do
>> >> >>>>>> > > he
>> >> >>>>>> > > pointed out that maybe we dont need the large applications.
>> But
>> >> >>>>>> > > i
>> >> >>>>>> > > cant
>> >> >>>>>> > > help but notice all the features the larger platforms offer.
>> I
>> >> >>>>>> > > am
>> >> >>>>>> > > a fan
>> >> >>>>>> > > of the wiki/doc additions, plus the repository feature as
>> the
>> >> >>>>>> > > GIT
>> >> >>>>>> > > module
>> >> >>>>>> > > is added to the new release of codeni. I have attached the
>> >> >>>>>> > > brochure
>> >> >>>>>> > > explaining more on this option. Either way i feel we need
>> >> >>>>>> > > something. Be
>> >> >>>>>> > > it collabtiv or codeni or whatever. Whube needs some
>> >> >>>>>> > > organization!!!
>> >> >>>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>>> > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin <
>> >> >>>>>> > >
>> >> >>>>>> > > thomas@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> > >> Ah, Redmine! I totally forgot about that Rails app.  We
>> were,
>> >> >>>>>> > >> for
>> >> >>>>>> > >> about
>> >> >>>>>> > >> four months, using Redmine as our main project management
>> >> >>>>>> > >> system
>> >> >>>>>> > >> in my
>> >> >>>>>> > >> business.  We had migrated over from Trac which was not
>> >> >>>>>> > >> fitting
>> >> >>>>>> > >> our
>> >> >>>>>> > >> needs. While Redmine had some awesome features and it was
>> >> >>>>>> > >> working
>> >> >>>>>> > >> pretty well for us, it had a lot of excess built right in.
>>  I
>> >> >>>>>> > >> do
>> >> >>>>>> > >> not
>> >> >>>>>> > >> know exactly what was causing it, but either Redmine and/or
>> >> >>>>>> > >> Ruby
>> >> >>>>>> > >> on
>> >> >>>>>> > >> Rails was not working as it should, and I often found
>> myself
>> >> >>>>>> > >> having to
>> >> >>>>>> > >> fix Redmine so we could continue to log in and use it.
>>  After
>> >> >>>>>> > >> four
>> >> >>>>>> > >> months we migrated to Collabtiv, which was much smaller in
>> >> >>>>>> > >> terms
>> >> >>>>>> > >> of
>> >> >>>>>> > >> built in features, but suited us a little better. We used
>> that
>> >> >>>>>> > >> up
>> >> >>>>>> > >> until
>> >> >>>>>> > >> we split, and now I don't really use any yet.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>>> > >> If we were to go this route, I'd vote for Collabtiv unless
>> we
>> >> >>>>>> > >> find
>> >> >>>>>> > >> something better.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>>> > >> Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>>>>> > >> https://launchpad.net/~tenach<https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>>>> > >> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>>>> > >> http://tenach.net
>> >> >>>>>> > >>
>> >> >>>>>> > >> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:47 PM, matthew byers
>> >> >>>>>> <faintstlsaint@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> This issue occured to me today as i was going through some
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> whube
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> pages
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> in my bookmarks and realized i had over 6 seperate pages
>> of
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> whube
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> stuff trying to juggle. Thus the idea of project
>> management
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> came
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> up
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> and tenach felt the same way i did. Though i dont speak
>> for
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> everyone i
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> feel as if those who are not direct devs of whube are not
>> in
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> the
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> loop
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> as to the "status" of whube. And i really dont know when
>> its
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> my
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> turn
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> as the wiki guy to jump in and turn out some docs. With
>> some
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> sort of
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> project management system we all can be on one accord  as
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> tenach
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> has
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> already described. Doing some research i came across
>> redmine
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> and
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> though i have never used it it looks really feature rich.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> http://www.redmine.org/
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> http://www.redmine.org/wiki/redmine/Features
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> With redmine we manage repos from git and other version
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> controls, setup
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> wiki/docs, track bugs and whube feature additions, assign
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> teams/roles
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> and we do this all in one location as they get organized
>> and
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> setup
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> then when they are all pretty and ready for the world we
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> migrate
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> them
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> to their appropriate web pages: ie: bugs.whube,
>> docs.whube,
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> etc.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> We
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> already have a project manager so he can head up the
>> project
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> management system! Just my thoughts....
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Thomas Plastino Martin <
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> tenach@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Hello everyone,
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> We need to organize Whube in a serious manner.  At
>> present
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> we
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> do not
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> have a solid goal for the future past our list for DD.
>>  This
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> team is
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> growing and now we're in need of some sort of system in
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> place
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> where
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> we can all stay 'in the loop'.  So far we have
>> docs.whube,
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> bugs.whube
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> and Launchpad.  I think that we need to start actively
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> putting
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> our
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> team organization together, so that we all know who is
>> doing
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> what,
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> where we're going, etc.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> stlsaint suggested using a project management system like
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Pier.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>  I
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> have only really worked with Trac and Collabtiv, both of
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> which
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> I am
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> not too fond of (I prefer Collabtiv over Trac any day
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> though).
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>  I
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> think it might be a good idea, though I was under the
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> impression we
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> were going to use Launchpad for team stuff, such as
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> milestones/blueprints/whatnot.  However, this confuses
>> me.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Launchpad
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> is confusing too.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Anyway.  What are we going to do?
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> * We need to have an outline for the future of Whube.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> * We should state clearly how we are going to use
>> Launchpad,
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> and use
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> it as such.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> * There is more, but I do not remember off the top of my
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> head
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> at the
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> moment.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Whube has potential to be awesome, we just need to
>> realize
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> path
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> and figure out exactly how we are going to go about it.
>>  I
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> think that
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> the days of freeform coding are (mostly) over, at least
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> until
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> we have
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> a solid understanding of everyone's contributions.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.  Hopefully I'm
>> not
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> way
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> off
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> base with this.
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Thanks,
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Thomas Plastino Martin
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> https://launchpad.net/~tenach<https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Etenach>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> http://tenach.net
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Mailing list:
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> https://launchpad.net/~whube-core<https://launchpad.net/%7Ewhube-core>
>> <https://launchpad.net/%7Ewhube-core
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> > Post to     : whube-core@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe :
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>
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>> >> >>>>>> > >>>> > More help   : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> --
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> God Bless
>> >> >>>>>> > >>>
>> >> >>>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________
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>> >> >>>>>> > > --
>> >> >>>>>> > > God Bless
>> >> >>>>>> > >
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>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> God Bless
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > God Bless
>> >> >
>> >> > _______________________________________________
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.
>> >>
>> >> #define sizeof(x) rand()
>> >> :wq
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > God Bless
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> All programmers are playwrights, and all computers are lousy actors.
>>
>> #define sizeof(x) rand()
>> :wq
>>
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