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Re: Call for user cases ?
Christoph Zwerschke <cito@xxxxxxxxx>
Sat, 03 Mar 2012 23:49:24 +0100
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Am 03.03.2012 18:41, schrieb Dotan Cohen:
> And why would casual users know this?
Well, to be honest I don't think zim is intended for "casual" users and
never will because it is not intended to be a "wysiwyg" editor. People
who want that wysiwyg stlye should use applications like OneNote or
Evernote or MyBase or MyInfo or MyNotesKeeper. The special thing about
zim is that it knows wiki syntax, and knowing the basics of that syntax
is simply required to use it. It's explained very well in the online
help. The other special thing about zim is that edit and view mode are
not separated. People who want that separation of modes should use
applications like ConnectedText or WikidPad or RedNoteBook.
The fact that I don't need to switch between edit and view mode is what
makes zim so unique, and that paradigm really should be kept. For
instance, if you see a mistake or type on a page, you simply go and
correct it. You don't need to switch to an edit mode, search for the
place with the error there, fix it, and switch back to view mode.
But of course, this paradigm also has some disadvantages like the one
you mention. I'm sure a lot can and will be done to attenuate these and
make the tool even more usable. But you need to understand that they are
somewhat inherent to the edit/view paradigm zim is using.
One thing that surely should be added is a way to easily switch the
editor to "raw mode" where it does not do any rendering. It should not
be understood or used as the default edit mode, but it may be sometimes
useful to see or edit the raw version of a page.
I see. Although I agree with your assessment that the data could be
recovered, it is still lost for Zim users. You and I might be able
to open the source file and retrieve the data. I would not expect
that of the casual user. That is quite the reason that I think that
it is a bit early to promote Zim to the casual user.
See above regarding "casual users". A raw editing mode could help, but
even that might not be found or understood by a casual user. Just like
copying the data with "Copy as... -> Wiki" to get the raw data.
> How about Python code, which maycontain triple quotes? Zim itself is
> written in Python.
But zim's triple quotes must be on a line for themselves, which rarely
happens in Python snippets, and you can always indent your Python
snippets to guarantee no triple quotes are at the beginning of a line.
Also, Python normally uses triple double quotes for docstrings, not
single quotes. So in reality, it's not much of an issue.