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[Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry to be "that guy" and to burst everyone's bubble, but it's Files.
https://launchpad.net/pantheon-files

A file manager is a tool that isn't really like other apps; your system
ships one and for the most part, you use it. More advanced users could
possibly install an alternative one, sure. But for the default tool,
"Files" is both simple and descriptive. It leaves no ambiguity as to what
the app is for when it comes to end users.

Other apps, like Midori or Noise, are of a different breed. That is, users
are more likely to install them on other distros or to consider
alternatives even on elementary, so the branding is more important here.

The executable is pantheon-files because it's the file manager app being
designed for Pantheon. It's just like Terminal being pantheon-terminal or
Calculator being gnome-calculator. It doesn't prevent anyone from using it
and it won't be confusing as typical users won't ever see the "pantheon"
part.

Regards,
Cassidy James

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Andrea Basso <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Allen, I can't say I love it but sounds good. Actually, the more I think
> about it the more I like it :)
>
> Regards,
> Andrea Basso
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Allen Lowe <lallenlowe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> So, here's the deal, we can't use Marlin, Marlin is off the table, end
>> of story. I did like Magellan a lot however.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Allen Lowe
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brendan William <school.mame@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > I agree with Andrea here, Pantheon Files soindslike a horrible name and
>> > would draw back many users.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Andrea Basso <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I personally think pantheon-files is a terrible name.
>> > Marlin is already widely used by many users in several distros other
>> than
>> > elementary and they'll use our version since Marlin is discontinued,
>> now.
>> > Keeping using Marlin sounds good, even though could be a bit unfair if
>> > ammonkey doesn't want us to do that. I see no point in calling it
>> > pantheon-files, I don't like the idea of marking it as ours. It's
>> against
>> > open-source philosophy, doesn't help convincing other distros to use it
>> and
>> > I personally would never install an app which is marked by someone
>> else. You
>> > know, it makes it sound us like a bit of douchebags.  Plus, its
>> function is
>> > already clear because we decided to change the icon to something
>> clearer,
>> > like a folder (don't know if pantheon-files already has that).
>> >
>> > Andre Luis, I'm not sure about that, we need to release a beta shortly
>> and
>> > this would really slow us down.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Andrea Basso
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Kumar Aatish <kumar.aatish@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Going by the 'standard' having a unique name for file browser makes
>> sense.
>> >> It will feel inconsistent otherwise. Also for people who install more
>> than
>> >> one file browser, similar names would be frustrating.
>> >> i propose 'Magellan' if people are convinced not to use Marlin.
>> >>
>> >> On May 8, 2012 11:09 AM, "satchitb@xxxxxxxxx" <satchitb@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree with Christian. I know Canonical will be considering Marlin
>> for
>> >>> 12.10, and I think it will be good if the name is distinctive.
>> 'Files' or
>> >>> 'Briefcase' is the opposite of distinctive; Files is also being used
>> as a
>> >>> name by Gnome Shell (for Nautilus), and remember briefcases from
>> Windows 9x?
>> >>> It's fine if you use 'Files' for the application as you use
>> 'Terminal' for
>> >>> Pantheon Terminal, but the name itself should be unique.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 8 May 2012 03:24, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think "Files" is a fine name; it's not made to be a particularly
>> >>>> cross-platform app, and any time in doubt you could call it by it's
>> more
>> >>>> specific name, "Pantheon Files." Similar to how "Terminal" is really
>> >>>> "Pantheon Terminal." But in this case I think naming it what the
>> user would
>> >>>> expect is more advantageous than the potential branding opportunity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In fact, it could even be a bigger "branding" opportunity; imagine if
>> >>>> Ubuntu moved from Nautilus to Pantheon Files! It'd be the best of
>> both
>> >>>> worlds because developers would hear about Pantheon while users
>> would get a
>> >>>> more sensible name.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Cassidy James
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> He's been non-responsive about our attempts to use the LP project.
>> My
>> >>>>> guess is that he'd be genuinely opposed to us continuing with the
>> name.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I do think that Marlin is kind of a silly name that won't make
>> sense to
>> >>>>> anyone who isn't a big geek about Linux File Managers :p
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Not terribly concerned with promoting outside of elementary though,
>> >>>>> tbh. You know me :p
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Christian Dywan
>> >>>>> <christian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Is it no option to stick to Marlin, and actually continue it in
>> honor
>> >>>>>> of
>> >>>>>> its original author? am may have lost interest, but it's still a
>> great
>> >>>>>> project he put in place there. Unless he is in fact opposed to
>> that.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I think "Files" is a bad name. It may make sense to display in the
>> UI,
>> >>>>>> but it's a mess when you want to actually discuss Mail, Files,
>> Session
>> >>>>>> and Launcher - you get the idea. Not to mention it's impossible to
>> >>>>>> promote outside of Elementary.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 07.05.2012 12:28, Allen Lowe wrote:
>> >>>>>> > I honestly think "File Cabinet" might be a good name.
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > Allen Lowe
>> >>>>>> >
>> >>>>>> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Andre Luis dos Santos
>> >>>>>> > <dominiosantos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>>> >> I agree with the taking back the code, but I think that
>> rebranding
>> >>>>>> >> it to
>> >>>>>> >> something as generic as "Files" will de-brand the project
>> >>>>>> >> completaly.
>> >>>>>> >> Personally I think generic names (like "dock", "files", "music")
>> >>>>>> >> are mad for
>> >>>>>> >> applications. The most important parts of Pantheon have a unique
>> >>>>>> >> brand:
>> >>>>>> >> wingpanel, plank, switchboard, noise (UGH!), slingshot, etc....
>> The
>> >>>>>> >> only app
>> >>>>>> >> that does not have a so unique brand is Pantheon Terminal. Why
>> >>>>>> >> debrand
>> >>>>>> >> Marlin like that? Why don't we proprose and vote on a unique
>> name?
>> >>>>>> >> Why don't
>> >>>>>> >> we just rename it to Tunafish? (ok, I'm joking here!)
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Just my opinion.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Best regards,
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Andre Santos
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> On 06-05-2012 21:30, Daniel Foré wrote:
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Hey guys,
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> as I'm sure you're well aware, am monkey has decided to stop
>> >>>>>> >> working on
>> >>>>>> >> Marlin. As you may also be aware, I asked him if we could have
>> the
>> >>>>>> >> LP
>> >>>>>> >> project back. He never responded. So we decided that we're not
>> >>>>>> >> waiting
>> >>>>>> >> anymore, we're just gonna take it back finally.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> https://code.launchpad.net/pantheon-files
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> So boom there we go. We took it back.
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> Daniel Foré
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >> elementaryos.org
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
>> >>>>>> >>
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