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[Andrea Basso <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>]

Cassidy, there's no ambiguity problem, the folder icon is enough to
communicate the idea that that app is a file manager.

You say Midori or Noise are different because users more likely to install
them on other distros, but at the moment Marlin is the
elementaryHIG-fiiting app with the highest "market share" on other distros.

We should probably discuss about this in a meeting, though.

Regards,
Andrea Basso

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Sorry to be "that guy" and to burst everyone's bubble, but it's Files.
> https://launchpad.net/pantheon-files
>
> A file manager is a tool that isn't really like other apps; your system
> ships one and for the most part, you use it. More advanced users could
> possibly install an alternative one, sure. But for the default tool,
> "Files" is both simple and descriptive. It leaves no ambiguity as to what
> the app is for when it comes to end users.
>
> Other apps, like Midori or Noise, are of a different breed. That is, users
> are more likely to install them on other distros or to consider
> alternatives even on elementary, so the branding is more important here.
>
> The executable is pantheon-files because it's the file manager app being
> designed for Pantheon. It's just like Terminal being pantheon-terminal or
> Calculator being gnome-calculator. It doesn't prevent anyone from using it
> and it won't be confusing as typical users won't ever see the "pantheon"
> part.
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Andrea Basso <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Allen, I can't say I love it but sounds good. Actually, the more I think
>> about it the more I like it :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea Basso
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Allen Lowe <lallenlowe@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> So, here's the deal, we can't use Marlin, Marlin is off the table, end
>>> of story. I did like Magellan a lot however.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Allen Lowe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Brendan William <school.mame@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> > I agree with Andrea here, Pantheon Files soindslike a horrible name and
>>> > would draw back many users.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Andrea Basso <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I personally think pantheon-files is a terrible name.
>>> > Marlin is already widely used by many users in several distros other
>>> than
>>> > elementary and they'll use our version since Marlin is discontinued,
>>> now.
>>> > Keeping using Marlin sounds good, even though could be a bit unfair if
>>> > ammonkey doesn't want us to do that. I see no point in calling it
>>> > pantheon-files, I don't like the idea of marking it as ours. It's
>>> against
>>> > open-source philosophy, doesn't help convincing other distros to use
>>> it and
>>> > I personally would never install an app which is marked by someone
>>> else. You
>>> > know, it makes it sound us like a bit of douchebags.  Plus, its
>>> function is
>>> > already clear because we decided to change the icon to something
>>> clearer,
>>> > like a folder (don't know if pantheon-files already has that).
>>> >
>>> > Andre Luis, I'm not sure about that, we need to release a beta shortly
>>> and
>>> > this would really slow us down.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Andrea Basso
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Kumar Aatish <kumar.aatish@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Going by the 'standard' having a unique name for file browser makes
>>> sense.
>>> >> It will feel inconsistent otherwise. Also for people who install more
>>> than
>>> >> one file browser, similar names would be frustrating.
>>> >> i propose 'Magellan' if people are convinced not to use Marlin.
>>> >>
>>> >> On May 8, 2012 11:09 AM, "satchitb@xxxxxxxxx" <satchitb@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I agree with Christian. I know Canonical will be considering Marlin
>>> for
>>> >>> 12.10, and I think it will be good if the name is distinctive.
>>> 'Files' or
>>> >>> 'Briefcase' is the opposite of distinctive; Files is also being used
>>> as a
>>> >>> name by Gnome Shell (for Nautilus), and remember briefcases from
>>> Windows 9x?
>>> >>> It's fine if you use 'Files' for the application as you use
>>> 'Terminal' for
>>> >>> Pantheon Terminal, but the name itself should be unique.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 8 May 2012 03:24, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I think "Files" is a fine name; it's not made to be a particularly
>>> >>>> cross-platform app, and any time in doubt you could call it by it's
>>> more
>>> >>>> specific name, "Pantheon Files." Similar to how "Terminal" is really
>>> >>>> "Pantheon Terminal." But in this case I think naming it what the
>>> user would
>>> >>>> expect is more advantageous than the potential branding opportunity.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> In fact, it could even be a bigger "branding" opportunity; imagine
>>> if
>>> >>>> Ubuntu moved from Nautilus to Pantheon Files! It'd be the best of
>>> both
>>> >>>> worlds because developers would hear about Pantheon while users
>>> would get a
>>> >>>> more sensible name.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Regards,
>>> >>>> Cassidy James
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Daniel Foré <
>>> daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> He's been non-responsive about our attempts to use the LP project.
>>> My
>>> >>>>> guess is that he'd be genuinely opposed to us continuing with the
>>> name.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I do think that Marlin is kind of a silly name that won't make
>>> sense to
>>> >>>>> anyone who isn't a big geek about Linux File Managers :p
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Not terribly concerned with promoting outside of elementary though,
>>> >>>>> tbh. You know me :p
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Christian Dywan
>>> >>>>> <christian@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Is it no option to stick to Marlin, and actually continue it in
>>> honor
>>> >>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>> its original author? am may have lost interest, but it's still a
>>> great
>>> >>>>>> project he put in place there. Unless he is in fact opposed to
>>> that.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I think "Files" is a bad name. It may make sense to display in
>>> the UI,
>>> >>>>>> but it's a mess when you want to actually discuss Mail, Files,
>>> Session
>>> >>>>>> and Launcher - you get the idea. Not to mention it's impossible to
>>> >>>>>> promote outside of Elementary.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On 07.05.2012 12:28, Allen Lowe wrote:
>>> >>>>>> > I honestly think "File Cabinet" might be a good name.
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > Allen Lowe
>>> >>>>>> >
>>> >>>>>> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Andre Luis dos Santos
>>> >>>>>> > <dominiosantos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>>>> >> I agree with the taking back the code, but I think that
>>> rebranding
>>> >>>>>> >> it to
>>> >>>>>> >> something as generic as "Files" will de-brand the project
>>> >>>>>> >> completaly.
>>> >>>>>> >> Personally I think generic names (like "dock", "files",
>>> "music")
>>> >>>>>> >> are mad for
>>> >>>>>> >> applications. The most important parts of Pantheon have a
>>> unique
>>> >>>>>> >> brand:
>>> >>>>>> >> wingpanel, plank, switchboard, noise (UGH!), slingshot,
>>> etc.... The
>>> >>>>>> >> only app
>>> >>>>>> >> that does not have a so unique brand is Pantheon Terminal. Why
>>> >>>>>> >> debrand
>>> >>>>>> >> Marlin like that? Why don't we proprose and vote on a unique
>>> name?
>>> >>>>>> >> Why don't
>>> >>>>>> >> we just rename it to Tunafish? (ok, I'm joking here!)
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Just my opinion.
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Andre Santos
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> On 06-05-2012 21:30, Daniel Foré wrote:
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Hey guys,
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> as I'm sure you're well aware, am monkey has decided to stop
>>> >>>>>> >> working on
>>> >>>>>> >> Marlin. As you may also be aware, I asked him if we could have
>>> the
>>> >>>>>> >> LP
>>> >>>>>> >> project back. He never responded. So we decided that we're not
>>> >>>>>> >> waiting
>>> >>>>>> >> anymore, we're just gonna take it back finally.
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> https://code.launchpad.net/pantheon-files
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> So boom there we go. We took it back.
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Best Regards,
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> Daniel Foré
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >> elementaryos.org
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
>>> >>>>>> >>
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