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[Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

As Cassidy and I have both been trying to say, there has been absolutely no
change whatsoever to our "revenue model"

It might be helpful if you could describe what you perceived our revenue
model to be in the past and what changes you have heard are happening.

As far as I am aware, the only change that is being made is to the design
of the homepage and hopefully the addition of accepting credit cards for
donations (something our users have constantly asked us for)

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> Dan, what I asked was for you to explain the flaw in your arguments that I
> found. Jaap stated it pretty clearly for me:
>
> How is the revenue model just a webdesign decision?
>
> And additionally: Why aren't the developers, who are just as important to
> this project, not having the same say in the decision as you.
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Sorry I must have misunderstood the question. Can you rephrase it?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> That did not answer my question at all.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is
>>>> changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and
>>>> we're still providing a way for people to make donations.
>>>>
>>>> Today you can download Jupiter for free from the homepage. Today, you
>>>> can donate to support elementary from the homepage.
>>>>
>>>> For the next design, you can download Luna for free from the homepage.
>>>> And you can also donate to support elementary from the homepage.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing has changed from a logistic perspective. The only thing that
>>>> has changed is the design of the homepage. That is all.
>>>>
>>>> We're not changing to a pay-only model. And we don't have significant
>>>> enough funds to even discuss how to divide them up at all.
>>>>
>>>> If did have significant funds, this is absolutely something we'd bring
>>>> up to the mailing list as we would want as much input as possible on
>>>> figuring out how to decide who gets hired first.
>>>>
>>>> But the design of the homepage is not something everyone needs to
>>>> *vote* on before we can implement it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay
>>>>> your developers.
>>>>> 2. You just mentioned that it's best to have the people most involved
>>>>> in the topic make the call.
>>>>> 3. From this, we can clearly see that developers absolutely should be
>>>>> a key part of the process of deciding how elementary will handle funding,
>>>>> donations, etc. Yet, you somehow think that "this is a web design issue and
>>>>> not something that needs to be run through you first for approval"? Now
>>>>> that... that is absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you plan to only pay yourself, this is absolutely something
>>>>> that needs to be run through everybody. In fact, if there was one decision
>>>>> that the whole elementary team should be involved in, it is this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
>>>>>> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
>>>>>> in the topic make the call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's
>>>>>> best to consult with our developers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's
>>>>>> best to consult with our designers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With our Web story, our web team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to
>>>>>> lead to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic,
>>>>>>> whole-team decision making process rather than a more centralized decision
>>>>>>> making process?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
>>>>>>>> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always
>>>>>>>> able to meet every week and discuss every issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not
>>>>>>>> something that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be
>>>>>>>> interested to find out from other people why they think we need to directly
>>>>>>>> democratize our web design or any design for that matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain
>>>>>>>> time schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be
>>>>>>>> aware, but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a
>>>>>>>> lot of family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended
>>>>>>>> family. I can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this
>>>>>>>> Saturday because it's also my mother's birthday.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any
>>>>>>>> ill will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have
>>>>>>>>> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to
>>>>>>>>> settle on something and write a reply.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> question.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>
>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Daniel Foré
>>
>> elementaryos.org
>>
>>
>


-- 
Best Regards,

Daniel Foré

elementaryos.org