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[Adam Wolf <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi folks,

1) Jake, right now KiCad is in a transition and Real Soon Now things will
be added that won't work on wxgtk2.8, and I personally would not trust my
circuit boards to a KiCad built from latest releases on wxgtk2.8.

Please remember that the older releases work just as well as they used to!
If it'll be 2 weeks until your distribution supports wx3, maybe just run
from a revision that doesn't need wx3.

2) Nick,  I just pulled what utopic has.  utopic didn't pull in 3.0.2
because it's in a freeze, before release.  The release is on October 23rd,
which is 4 days away.  I expect wx will be releasing 3.0.3 soon anyway--one
of the things they did in 3.0.2 was "fix" it for Yosemite, but they didn't
quite fix it.

Good to hear that you can switch to the KiCad Trusty Backports PPA and run
kicad-install.sh on a Trusty (14.04) system.  If you see any weirdnesses in
or outside of KiCad on that system, please let me know.

Adam Wolf
Cofounder and Engineer,
W&L

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 3:50 AM, Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 2014-10-19 9:20 GMT+02:00 Jake <jake@xxxxxxxx>:
> > As i said i would, i edited kicad-install.sh to remove wxgtk3.0 and
> instead
> > I installed wxgtk2.8 and then ran kicad-install.sh --install-or-update
> >
> > it seems to have worked.  I have not tried to make anything yet, but
> > eeschema and pcbnew open just fine... then i went looking for cvpcb...
>
> wx2.8 is not oficially supported anymore, it can indeed work still,
> the quirks for getting it to work with wx2.8 has not yet been removed.
>
> > cvpcb is gone?!?!  i think i am happy about that!  stuff looks really
> good
> > right now.
>
> Sorry to dissapoint you, cvpcb is still existing. You just can't
> access it from the kicad app, but from eeschema. I am not quite sure
> why it is as such, but there is a bug noting this.
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1360898
>
> > Are there any tests i should run to see if kicad actually works without
> > wxgtk3.0??
>
> Well, you can search the bugtracker for bugs related to wx2.8 and see
> if you still have those, but that would be useless for everyone
> anyway. I suggest not spending time on that.
>
> > thanks
> > -jake
> >
> > On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Adam Wolf wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >> I threw together a PPA today, with the source packages of wxpython3 and
> >> wxwidgets3 from 14.10, rebuilt for 14.04.  It was relatively painless,
> after
> >> I modified the backport
> >> package script I was using to let me make arbitrary changes :)  I added
> >> mesa-common-dev as a build-dependency for wxpython3.  (It looks like the
> >> Ubuntu folks added this
> >> dependency for wxpython3 in August, and then in the next update,
> >> accidentally removed it.)
> >>
> >> I have to stop working on this today, but if someone wants to play
> around
> >> with it from here before I write more instructions...
> >>
> >> https://launchpad.net/~adamwolf/+archive/ubuntu/kicad-trusty-backports
> >>
> >> Don't let the Launchpad page fool you--there are 37 binary packages in
> the
> >> PPA
> >> (
> https://launchpad.net/~adamwolf/+archive/ubuntu/kicad-trusty-backports/+packages
> ).
> >>
> >> Nick made some progress while I was on a walk this afternoon--I didn't
> >> quite follow everything he did, so I continued this work.
> >>
> >> Adam Wolf
> >> Cofounder and Engineer
> >> W&L
> >>  *
> >> On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Adam Wolf <
> adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>       The plan is that most users will not compile KiCad.
> >>
> >>       This PPA will, at first, only contain the back ports of any
> packages
> >> needed to build KiCad on 14.04.
> >>
> >>       In terms of new regular binary release, OS X is the first on my
> >> list, but it is very close, thanks to the help of everyone on this list.
> >>
> >>       Adam Wolf
> >>       Cofounder and Engineer
> >>       W&L
> >>
> >>       On Oct 18, 2014 5:28 PM, "Jake" <jake@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>             Thank you Adam for your work on this.
> >>
> >>             I haven't been back at sudoroom (where I am trying to
> install
> >> kicad) to test the fixes that were mentioned below, but I think that
> >> anything that makes
> >>             it easier to install kicad is good.  Ideally it will be
> >> possible for ubuntu 12.04 to install kicad by following instructions -
> keep
> >> in mind that 12.04
> >>             is LONG TERM SUPPORT and is still run by many people around
> >> the world, for good reasons.
> >>
> >>             Will this PPA also include KiCAD itself? :) :) :)
> >>
> >>             -jake (dreaming of the good old wxgtk2.8 days)
> >>
> >>             On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Adam Wolf wrote:
> >>
> >>                   I spent quite a few hours on this today.  I set up a
> >> PPA, did a backport of wxpython3 (which provides most of these
> packages),
> >> and uploaded
> >>                   it.  The build on the Ubuntu servers
> >>                   fails, due to the package not specifying
> mesa-common-dev
> >> as a build-depends.  (This issue is fixed in Debian, for what it's
> worth.)
> >>                   I pinged the folks on the #ubuntu-packaging IRC in
> order
> >> to figure out what my next step is, but I haven't gotten a reply yet.
> >>
> >>                   Harrumph.
> >>
> >>                   Adam Wolf
> >>                   Cofounder and Engineer
> >>                   W&L
> >>
> >>                   On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Carl Poirier
> >> <carl.poirier.2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>                         > i did try this and it said it couldn't satisfy
> >> the dependancies..
> >>                   Hi Jake, you can still install the package this way,
> >> inserting the dependencies that need to be ignored. I built recent
> KiCads
> >> this way.
> >>
> >>                   sudo dpkg --install --ignore-depends=_______
> >> python-wxgtk3.0.deb
> >>                   > If I can find a few savvy volunteers here who use
> >> their 14.04 machines regularly and also want to test this for me, I can
> >> propose it be
> >>                   included in official backports.
> >>
> >>                   Hi Adam,
> >>                   My main machine is running Xubuntu 14.04. I can test
> >> this for you during a few weeks. After that, I plan tu update to 14.10
> >> myself.
> >>
> >>                   Do I have to compile with KICAD_SCRIPTING_WXPYTHON, or
> >> only KICAD_SCRIPTING?
> >>
> >>                   Let me know when the backports are ready.
> >>
> >>                   Regards,
> >>
> >>                   Carl
> >>
> >>                   On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Nick Østergaard
> >> <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>                         Hi Adam
> >>
> >>                         I have an ubuntu 14.04 (trusty) available, but I
> >> don't use it daily
> >>                         though. I can still test the packages for you.
> >>
> >>                         Nick
> >>
> >>                         2014-10-18 15:20 GMT+02:00 Adam Wolf
> >> <adamwolf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >>                         > *sigh*
> >>                         >
> >>                         > I have begun the backports process.
> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports
> >>                         >
> >>                         > What this means is that I am creating a PPA of
> >> packages that are needed for
> >>                         > KiCad and are already in 14.10 (utopic), but
> >> rejiggering the packages so
> >>                         > they're meant for 14.04 (trusty).
> >>                         >
> >>                         > If I can find a few savvy volunteers here who
> >> use their 14.04 machines
> >>                         > regularly and also want to test this for me, I
> >> can propose it be included in
> >>                         > official backports.
> >>                         >
> >>                         > Hopefully this goes as smoothly as getting
> >> wxWidgets 3.0 working on this
> >>                         > week's OS X release.  (Sometimes I feel we
> spend
> >> more time working on our
> >>                         > dependencies than on KiCad!)
> >>                         >
> >>                         > Adam Wolf
> >>                         > Cofounder and Engineer
> >>                         > Wayne and Layne, LLC
> >>                         >
> >>                         > On Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jake
> >> <jake@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>                         >>
> >>                         >> i did try this and it said it couldn't
> satisfy
> >> the dependancies..
> >>                         >>
> >>                         >>
> >>                         >> On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Nick Østergaard wrote:
> >>                         >>
> >>                         >>> So did you ever try what Moses suggested?
> >>                         >>>
> >>                         >>>
> >> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg15067.html
> >>                         >>>
> >>                         >>> 2014-10-18 10:30 GMT+02:00 Jake
> >> <jake@xxxxxxxx>:
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> so i'm trying to install kicad on a fresh
> >> install of Ubuntu 14.04, which
> >>                         >>>> is
> >>                         >>>> this years' long-term support version of
> >> Ubuntu.
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> it should be easy right?
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> but immediately, the kicad-install.sh
> script
> >> says
> >>                         >>>> E: Unable to locate package python-wxgtk3.0
> >>                         >>>> E: Couldn't find any package by regex
> >> 'python-wxgtk3.0'
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> i looked into it and i see that
> >> python-wxgtk3.0 is only available for
> >>                         >>>> bleeding-edge installs of Ubuntu 14.10
> which
> >> only just now came out.
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> this is very frustrating and basically
> means
> >> that anyone not running
> >>                         >>>> literally the latest system software can't
> >> install kicad.  Is this
> >>                         >>>> really
> >>                         >>>> necessary?  I have python-wxgtk2.8
> available
> >> to me, is that not
> >>                         >>>> sufficient?
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> I am not an expert with aptitude and
> sources,
> >> and i have no idea how to
> >>                         >>>> get
> >>                         >>>> python-wxgtk3.0 onto my system, so i just
> >> installed python-wxgtk2.8
> >>                         >>>> and i took out that line from
> >> kicad-install.sh and i'm trying again.
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> but if possible, i think it would be ideal
> if
> >> this requirement were
> >>                         >>>> taken
> >>                         >>>> out.  I can't in good conscience keep
> telling
> >> people that they should
> >>                         >>>> switch
> >>                         >>>> to kicad if i can't even figure out how to
> >> install it myself.
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> apologies if i'm missing something basic,
> or
> >> if my tone is frustrated.
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>> thank you,
> >>                         >>>> -jake
> >>                         >>>>
> >>                         >>>>
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