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[Pablo Estrada <polecito.em@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello Elena,
I just pushed a transaction, with the following changes:

1. Added an internal counter to the kokiri class, and a function to expose
it. This function can show how many update result runs and prediction runs
have been run in total, or per unit (an unit being a platform, a branch or
a mix of both). Using this counter, one can decide to add logic for extra
learning rounds for new platforms (I added it to the wrapper class as an
example).

2. Added functions to load and store status into temporary storage. They
are very simple - they only serialize to a JSON file, but they can be
easily modified to fit the requirements of the implementation. I can add
this in the README. If you'd like for me to add the capacity to connect to
a database and store the data in a table, I can do that too (I think it
would be easiest to store the dicts as json data in text fields). Let me
know if you'd prefer that.

By the way, these functions allow the two parts of the algorithm to be
called separately, e.g.:

Predicting phase (can be done depending of counts of training rounds for
platform, etc..)
1. Create kokiri instance
2. Load status (call load_status)
3. Input test list, get smaller output
4. Eliminate instance from memory (no need to save state since nothing
changes until results are updated)

Training phase:
1. Create kokiri instance
2. Load status (call load_status)
3. Feed new information
4. Save status (call save_status)
5. Eliminate instance from memory

I added tests that check the new features to the wrapper. Both features
seem to be working okay. Of course, the more prediction rounds for new
platforms, the platform mode improves a bit, but not too dramatically, for
what I've seen. I'll test it a bit more.

I will also add these features to the file_change_correlations branch, and
document everything in the README file.

Regards
Pablo


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Elena Stepanova <elenst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> (sorry, forgot the list in my reply, resending)
>
> Hi Pablo,
>
>
>
> On 03.08.2014 17:51, Pablo Estrada wrote:
> > Hi Elena,
> >
> >
> >> One thing that I want to see there is fully developed platform mode. I
> see
> >> that mode option is still there, so it should not be difficult. I
> actually
> >> did it myself while experimenting, but since I only made hasty and crude
> >> changes, I don't expect them to be useful.
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure what code you are referring to. Can you be more specific on
> > what seems to be missing? I might have missed something when migrating
> from
> > the previous architecture...
>
> I was mainly referring to the learning stage. Currently, the learning
> stage is "global". You go through X test runs, collect data, distribute it
> between platform-specific queues, and from X+1 test run you start
> predicting based on whatever platform-specific data you have at the moment.
>
> But this is bound to cause rather sporadic quality of prediction, because
> it could happen that out of 3000 learning runs, 1000 belongs to platform A,
> while platform B only had 100, and platform C was introduced later, after
> your learning cycle. So, for platform B the statistical data will be very
> limited, and for platform C there will be none -- you will simply start
> randomizing tests from the very beginning (or using data from other
> platforms as you suggest below, which is still not quite the same as pure
> platform-specific approach).
>
> It seems more reasonable, if the platform-specific mode is used, to do
> learning per platform too. It is not just about current investigation
> activity, but about the real-life implementation too.
>
> Lets suppose tomorrow we start collecting the data and calculating the
> metrics.
> Some platforms will run more often than others, so lets say in 2 weeks you
> will have X test runs on these platforms so you can start predicting for
> them; while other platforms will run less frequently, and it will take 1
> month to collect the same amount of data.
> And 2 months later there will be Ubuntu Utopic Unicorn which will have no
> statistical data at all, and it will be cruel to jump into predicting there
> right away, without any statistical data at all.
>
> It sounds more complicated than it is, in fact pretty much all you need to
> add to your algorithm is making 'count' in your run_simulation a dict
> rather than a constant.
>
> So, I imagine that when you store your metrics after a test run, you will
> also store a number of test runs per platform, and only start predicting
> for this particular platform when the count for it reaches the configured
> number.
>
> >
> > Of the code that's definitely not there, there are a couple things that
> > could be added:
> > 1. When we calculate the relevance of a test on a given platform, we
> might
> > want to set the relevance to 0, or we might want to derive a default
> > relevance from other platforms (An average, the 'standard', etc...).
> > Currently, it's just set to 0.
>
> I think you could combine this idea with what was described above. While
> it makes sense to run *some* full learning cycles on a new platform, it
> does not have to be thousands, especially since some non-LTS platforms come
> and go awfully fast. So, we run these no-too-many cycles, get clean
> platform-specific data, and if necessary enrich it with the other
> platforms' data.
>
>
> >
> > 2. We might also, just in case, want to keep the 'standard' queue for
> when
> > we don't have the data for this platform (related to the previous point).
>
> If we do what's described above, we should always have data for the
> platform.
> But if you mean calculating and storing the standard metrics, then yes --
> since we are going to store the values rather than re-calculate them every
> time, there is no reason to be greedy about it. It might even make sense to
> calculate both metrics that you developed, too. Who knows maybe one day
> we'll find out that the other one gives us better results.
>
> >
> >
> >> It doesn't matter in which order they fail/finish; the problem is, when
> >> builder2 starts, it doesn't have information about builder1 results, and
> >> builder3 doesn't know anything about the first two. So, the metric for
> test
> >> X could not be increased yet.
> >>
> >> But in your current calculation, it is. So, naturally, if we happen to
> >> catch the failure on builder1, the metric raises dramatically, and the
> >> failure will be definitely caught on builders 2 and 3.
> >>
> >> It is especially important now, when you use incoming lists, and the
> >> running sets might be not identical for builders 1-3 even in standard
> mode.
> >>
> >
> > Right, I see your point. Although if test_run 1 would catch the error,
> > test_run 2, although it would be using the same data. might not catch the
> > same errors if the running set makes it such that they are pushed out due
> > to lower relevance. The effect might not be too big, but it definitely
> has
> > potential to affect the results.
> >
> > Over-pessimistic part:
> >>
> >> It is similar to the previous one, but look at the same problem from a
> >> different angle. Suppose the push broke test X, and the test started
> >> failing on all builders (platforms). So, you have 20 failures, one per
> test
> >> run, for the same push. Now, suppose you caught it on one platform but
> not
> >> on others. Your statistics will still show 19 failures missed vs 1
> failure
> >> caught, and recall will be dreadful (~0.05). But in fact, the goal is
> >> achieved: the failure has been caught for this push. It doesn't really
> >> matter whether you catch it 1 time or 20 times. So, recall here should
> be 1.
> >>
> >> It should mainly affect per-platform approach, but probably the standard
> >> one can also suffer if running sets are not identical for all builders.
> >>
> >
> > Right. It seems that solving these two issues is non-trivial (the
> test_run
> > table does not contain duration of the test_run, or anything). But we can
> > keep in mind these issues.
>
> Right. At this point it doesn't even make sense to solve hem -- in
> real-life application, the first one will be gone naturally, just because
> there will be no data from unfinished test runs.
>
> The second one only affects recall calculation, in other words --
> evaluation of the algorithm. It is interesting from theoretical point of
> view, but not critical for real-life application.
>
>
> > I fixed up the repositories with updated versions of the queries, as well
> > as instructions in the README on how to generate them.
> >
> > Now I am looking a bit at the buildbot code, just to try to suggest some
> > design ideas for adding the statistician and the pythia into the MTR
> > related classes.
>
>
> As you know, we have the soft pencil-down in a few days, and the hard one
> a week later. At this point, there isn't much reason to keep frantically
> improving the algorithm (which is never perfect), so you are right not
> planning on it.
>
> In the remaining time I suggest to
>
> - address the points above;
> - make sure that everything that should be configurable is configurable
> (algorithm, mode, learning set, db connection details);
> - create structures to store the metrics and reading to/writing from the
> database;
> - make sure the predicting and the calculating part can be called
> separately;
> - update documentation, clean up logging and code in general.
>
> As long as we have these two parts easily callable, we will find a place
> in buildbot/MTR to put them to, so don't waste too much time on it.
>
> Regards,
> Elena
>
>
> >
> > Regards
> > Pablo
> >
>