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[David Arnold - El Alemán <david@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree with all of you, especially with nhomar's notion of how we can play
a pro-aktive and responsible role in this.

+1 for de document foundation time based release cycle. this could be
almost a copy paste template for odoo

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2014-07-24 3:46 GMT-05:00 Luis Panozzo <luis.panozzo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Again, I clearly see -and support- the point of the stable version.
> The technical world will overwhelmingly support that.
> But a senior official of a corporation saying that a product would be
> released by a certain date in front of the annual convention and streamed
> live to the world should mean something.
>
> OpenERP overstretched itself and overcommitted based on unrealistic
> expectations. Or was it that they had not properly sized the problem?
> Yes, they will suffer. We will all suffer. Because of commitments to
> partners, customers and prospects.
>
> We can discuss to our hearts content but until we have official
> communication coming from Belgium it will be a moot issue.
> I sincerely can not believe that a dynamic company as OpenERP SA can not
> issue an official statement about the short term plan.
> If they want to have further successful rounds of funding they have to
> build credibility.
> They now have a Chief Marketing Officer. How can it be that he keeps mum?
> If they want to have further successful rounds of funding they have to
> build credibility.
> Silence is the best way to destroy it. And we all really need this to be
> in place if we want the OpenERP ecosystem to grow, expand and get the 10
> million users Fabien spoke about.
> IMHO
> Lp
>
>
> Luis Panozzo (Lp)
> Technology Manager
> Elmatica AS
> luis.panozzo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> On 24 July 2014 10:29, Orchid Infosys <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> HI All
>>
>>
>>
>> No body asking to release an unstable version.
>>
>> But there is a plan and it should be clearly communicated with partners
>> and community.
>>
>> In open days its declared 7th of July will release, but while seeing the
>> development we feel only 7th they have started real work for V8 and its
>> uncertain.
>>
>> Trusting odoo we have committed to our customers and prospect to provide
>> V8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fakrudeen Abbaz* (*ACMA**)*
>>
>> *Management & ERP Consultant*
>>
>>
>>
>> Mob. : 00971 55 66 77 001
>>
>> India  : 0091 9 44 777 0001
>>
>> fakrudeenabbaz@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Skype <https://market.android.com/details?id=com.skype.raider>:
>> fakrudeenabbaz
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Parthiv Patel [mailto:parthivgls@xxxxxxxxx]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:18 PM
>> *To:* Nhomar Hernández
>> *Cc:* info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; al@xxxxxxxx; OpenERP Community
>> *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] new api, v8 release
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with the point of having "stable and tested" release but fact is
>> that too much wait will kill the opportunities as well.
>>
>>
>> Apart from this, community and other integrators are also investing based
>> on release, delay in release will also increase the investment as they'll
>> be also not able to release their code and work based on new version.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't we have at least some official word from odoo about release plan
>> and things that will be available, it's fine not to have all things in the
>> release as things can be added with later release.
>>
>> A better approach would be something like this ( Libreoffice office
>> release plan) : https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan
>>
>> Again, My 2 cents for stability but 1 for releasing On time as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Nhomar Hernández <nhomar@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Honestly.
>>
>> For me it can be december the "official voice". It is not the real issue.
>>
>> We have the master and rc code available since 1 year ago.
>>
>> What we REALLY need is deeper testing with well documented bugs an
>> github... guve as much feedback as you can... it will help more than
>> complain about some date.
>>
>> I dont like either the fact off offer dates you wilm not be able to
>> comply with but shit happen.... lets code, lets test and lets hack....
>>
>> The "unique" erp system in the world with this kind a R& d investment
>> that put 100% of its R & D freely available allowing this kind of criticism
>> is Odoo.... we should considere that in our evaluation.
>>
>> Sorry for be too hard but even we have internally 20% of odoo team, 50%
>> of them number of modules and 1% of databases numbers and we are not even
>> sleeping well to have everithing on time thats a fact.....
>>
>> I prefer "stable and tested" without fixed date than "unstable" for hurry
>> the release.
>>
>> This kind of complains will just push to remove more unfinished features
>> because a "release" lets them work and please just test, hack and share
>> code, thats the way to.work.
>>
>> Take a problem for you solve it and make a pr thats not __only__ odoo sa
>> responsability dudes.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Written from my android
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2014 3:25 AM, "Orchid Infosys" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Agree with Luis
>>
>>
>>
>> Odoo officials will have to respond ASAP.
>>
>> Delay in release of V8 have many negative impact in market.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks & Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fakrudeen Abbaz* (*ACMA**)*
>>
>> *Management & ERP Consultant*
>>
>>
>>
>> Mob. : 00971 55 66 77 001
>>
>> India  : 0091 9 44 777 0001
>>
>> fakrudeenabbaz@xxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Skype <https://market.android.com/details?id=com.skype.raider>:
>> fakrudeenabbaz
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Openerp-community [mailto:openerp-community-bounces+info=
>> orchidinfosys.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Luis Panozzo
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:44 AM
>> *To:* Mario Arias
>> *Cc:* al@xxxxxxxx; openerp-community@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* Re: [Openerp-community] new api, v8 release
>>
>>
>>
>> I feel that Odoo is between a rock and and a hard place, now.
>>
>> They have unstable code and a pressing need to release something they
>> have already promised.
>>
>> Yes, the defending side will argue -and rightly so- that stable software
>> is a must.
>>
>> But the "evil" forces of the market will be adamant: If you can not
>> deliver, do not promise.
>>
>> Odoo is a real force to contend with in the SMB market and the
>> competition will use this as another proof of lack or reliability.
>> Farfetched? Of course. But they still will.
>>
>>
>>
>> In my opinion the worst is the current official silence which is the
>> source of anxiety and rumours.
>>
>> "August" is far too vague and comes from a functional consultant. Can we
>> take this as the official Odoo voice?
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a big community our there waiting for new version.
>>
>> It probably should have never been announced or at least not with such an
>> aggressive estimated date of delivery.
>>
>> But it was.
>>
>> And now, for the sake of damage control, I think that Odoo should inform
>> the market and the community in a realistic way.
>>
>> IMHO
>>
>> Lp
>>
>>
>>
>> PS: The Saas-x issue is just a numbering scheme gone awry. Let's not even
>> waste energy in that. If anyone is running the beta version of V8, it says
>> Version 9 alpha 01 in the "About Odoo" screen. Again, optimistic numbering?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Luis Panozzo (Lp)
>>
>> Technology Manager
>>
>> Elmatica AS
>>
>> luis.panozzo@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 July 2014 20:16, Mario Arias <the.clone.master@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> We did, but just got the answer.  And it is not too comfortable...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *De:* jdu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jdu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> *Enviado el:* miércoles, 23 de julio de 2014 02:14 a.m.
>> *Para:* Followers of RE-Odoo-Enterprise-Subscription
>> *Asunto:* Re: RE: Odoo Enterprise Subscription
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The next version will not be the SaaS 4 but the SaaS 5 and will be
>> release in August but we haven't any precise date yet.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jean-François Dufour
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> According to Antony, back in January he wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> sass-<n> are snapshots of trunk we deploy on the the saas, we are now at
>> saas-3, the v8 release will based on a saas-n branch, prboably saas-4 or
>> saas-5. The release process of v8 will simply be a bzr push of saas-n to
>> 8.0. We will push a branch used in production on saas for at least one
>> month. So it will really be stable from the first day of release (unlike
>> previous releases which had a few month of stabilisation even after the
>> release).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And the idea S.A. sold us was that when v8 was labeled, it would come
>> from a tested saas-n branch, and clearly this is not the case...  SaaS
>> customers are still on saas-3 !!
>>
>>
>>
>> I know S.A. is busy with v8, but these issues are also important...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Mario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 5:39 AM, Stephen Mack <smack815@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Since you are officially a customer now, why not send in a support
>> ticket.  I think the developers are a bit busy with v8 at the moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> support@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Mario Arias <the.clone.master@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Antony,
>>
>>
>>
>> A friend asked me to create an instance in free odoo SaaS.
>>
>> Everything installed fine, but at the end I noticed it was created using
>> saas-3...
>>
>>
>>
>> Aren't SaaS users supossedly on Saas-5 by now ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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