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Re: OpenShot Help Manual - 4th progress report
Sounds good Helen! I look forward to seeing the help manual branch. Yes, I
will have to create a .DEB package for each dependency, unless I somehow
merge them into 1 super .deb installer. =) I am using 2 programs to help
simply the .deb process. 1) *checkinstall* - for all the dependencies
2) *Debian
Package Maker *(for the python stuff). It's a lot of work, but I'm making
good progress. I'll keep you posted.
Also, thanks for replying to bugs, questions, and blog comments! I really
appreciate the help. I'm falling behind on my email inbox. Once I get the
.deb stuff completed, I'll have more time to answer bugs, emails, etc...
Thanks again!
Thanks,
-Jonathan
On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Olivier Girard <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hello helen
>
> About gtalk,it's simple (more than pidgin). When you are on firefox (for
> exemple) and on your account gmail, you have on your left a box call "chat".
> If you look at, you see ...you with a disponibility (yes green no red and
> you can modified it) and below you have the last personn which have send
> you email. If you want to speak with one personn you clic on his "name" and
> a window on the right below will open. you click on you write and you valid
> and you wait, that's all.
>
> I'm not alone to fight with bazaar (i'm laugthing)!!!! i belive than you
> must keep a copy on your hard drive if i done a wrong operation.
>
> You have done a very good and quick hard work. For the next week the beta
> and Me, who was thinking to be ready for .....christamas.
>
> I don't understand what is blueprint how walk and what is it ?
>
> i have ask help at here<http://software.flogisoft.com/cover-thumbnailer/fr/#captures_ecran>how create a deb with python and he is very sympa because we are tchating
> and try to create a deb (for a modele)
> So see you later (he is very quick )and yes we must creattee severals
> packages
> thcao olivier
>
> 2009/7/19 Helen McCall <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Hello Jonathan,
>>
>> When I went on the gtalk site it said it was only available for
>> microsoft windoze. So I didn't go any further. I will have to look at
>> how to get onto gtalk next week because I'm concentrating on the manual
>> right now.
>>
>> I am going to try doing my first push to the help-manual branch later
>> this evening. I still need to do several things before that. This
>> includes working out how to configure bzr to use my login to Launchpad
>> etc.
>>
>> I've been studying the Jokosher code to see how they integrated with
>> Gnome Help. When I'm ready, I'll register a detailed blueprint for the
>> code changes.
>>
>> I haven't got the manual completely debianised yet, but much of it is
>> already done. I'm making it a package called openshot-docs.
>>
>> We should hopefully have the first beta release ready sometime next
>> week.
>>
>> The version numbering is following conventional Gnome Documentation
>> Project rules. This help manual is for running on Gnome 2, and so the
>> openshot-docs version number starts with a 2.
>>
>> So the first beta is called openshot-docs_2.0.1.deb
>>
>> I've been testing the manual in Yelp (Gnome Help)
>>
>> Until I've got a full installable .deb, the way to read the help manual
>> is to use the following command:
>>
>> yelp ghelp:/<full path to xml file>/openshot.xml
>>
>> You will find a file in there called "legal.xml". This file must remain
>> untouched so that we comply with the rules of the Gnome Documentation
>> Project.
>>
>> How is your debianisation going?
>>
>> I imagine you will have to produce custom .deb packages for each of the
>> libraries used, along with the .deb package for openshot itself?
>>
>> It looks like a lot of work initially!
>>
>> Best wishes, Helen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 12:02 -0500, Jonathan Thomas wrote:
>> > Helen, like Olivier mentioned, I think you have to have a gmail
>> > account to use it with pidgin. On a side-note, gmail is the best
>> > email app I've ever used. If you've never looked into it before, you
>> > should research it a bit. I think you would like it.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Jonathan
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Olivier Girard <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > wrote:
>> > Hello Helen
>> > Thanks to answer at my questions
>> > Very Good work and perhaps like you have sad we must open
>> > another branch for the manuel. So we'll discuss with
>> > jonathan.
>> > i have seen the links but i 'm not yet go to see. But the
>> > structure look simple (à 1ere vue)
>> > You can talk in gmail with gtalk. you have only click with the
>> > personn than you want. For pidgin it's a little more
>> > compliced. In fact not really (all is simple when you know but
>> > not when it's the opposite). Look at the french or english
>> > ubuntu documentation.
>> > install pidgin with synaptic. run it and create a compte
>> > gmail. in the essentail onglet :
>> > protocole gtalk ou xmmp
>> > tonlogin gmail
>> > domaine gmail.com
>> > ressource home par exemple don't matter
>> > rentre ton mot de passe gmail
>> > choisi tonlogo (taille 192*192)
>> > coche la case audessus (je sais plus ce que c'est)
>> > Dans l'ongelt avance
>> > coche le 1er use ssl/tls
>> > port connexion 5222(normalement ok)
>> > serveur de connection talk.google.com
>> > and that's all
>> > reconnecte-le et tu doir avoir d'abord une prise (tentative de
>> > connection) et quand c'est bon une bulle blanche avec un rond
>> > vert.
>> > @jonathan
>> > for our conversation about cration .deb, try this programm
>> > it's better than chekinstall and it's graphical and not only
>> > ubuntu but for all debian. And with alien we can imagine
>> > create some rpm!!!!!!
>> > The link is here
>> > Have you look for the creation .pot file. i'm thinking than we
>> > 'll have the software traduce in spanish french italian german
>> > finnish.
>> > See you later perhaps
>> > Tchao Olivier
>> >
>> > 2009/7/19 Helen McCall <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> >
>> > Bonjour Olivier,
>> >
>> > I will answer all your questions. I will have to
>> > answer in English
>> > because my French is not good enough yet for some of
>> > what I will say.
>> >
>> > I will answer your questions in reverse order. I will
>> > start with your
>> > last question.
>> >
>> > The links at the end of our emails are because
>> > Jonathan and I are
>> > sending our emails through the Openshot.developers
>> > list server. This is
>> > the private email discussion list for the the OpenShot
>> > Developers team
>> > that you have joined.
>> >
>> > If you look at the message header for this email, you
>> > will see the Cc:
>> > line shows the email address to send to our Openshot
>> > Developers
>> > discussion list. Sending to this address ensures that
>> > all our team (5
>> > peaople) will be kept informed about what is happening
>> > on our project.
>> >
>> > About gtalk: I didn't know that you could access gtalk
>> > from Linux. I
>> > didn't know that you could use pidgin to do it. I will
>> > have to look at
>> > this next week so I can talk with you and Jonathan.
>> >
>> > About the new help-manual branch on launchpad:
>> >
>> > I will push the file system hierarchy to the
>> > help-manual branch soon. I
>> > am building the file system for this branch so that we
>> > will be able to
>> > automatically generate .deb package files from it at
>> > any point we like
>> > in the development of the help manual.
>> >
>> > I am at present writing the various control files
>> > needed to build and
>> > install the Help Manual as a Ubuntu/Debian package.
>> > When I have tested
>> > this to ensure it works safely, I will push this file
>> > system and the
>> > outline stage of the manual to the help-manual branch.
>> >
>> > Then you will be able to download the package file
>> > system and files to
>> > your computer.
>> >
>> > When we get to that point, we will be able to discuss
>> > with Jonathan the
>> > best way for us to all work on this manual.
>> >
>> > We might either have a separate
>> > help-manual-<developers-name> branch
>> > which I can merge together at agreed intervals, or we
>> > might have an
>> > agreed work plan of who works on what part at what
>> > time on one branch.
>> >
>> > We can discuss this with Jonathan next week when I
>> > have the basic debian
>> > package structure up on Launchpad.
>> >
>> > In the meanwhile, if you practice using Docbook XML to
>> > write Gnome Help
>> > files, and read the links on the Gnome Documentation
>> > Project which you
>> > will find on the link I sent you, you will then
>> > understand more of what
>> > we are going to be doing.
>> >
>> > Tchao, Helen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 2009-07-18 at 21:37 +0200, Olivier Girard
>> > wrote:
>> > > Hello and thanks a lot for your help.
>> > >
>> > > It's exactly that i don't know familar with bazaar
>> > and, launchpad and
>> > > participate in a project in fact. All It's new for
>> > me.
>> > > It's very nice to your part to help me. I have
>> > generated my key, i
>> > > have sucessed to be identified between bazaar and
>> > launchpad but i
>> > > can't have access to help-manuel. I'have read all
>> > your links and
>> > > othersbut i have an error :
>> > > bzr: ERROR: Target directory
>> > > lp:~openshot.developers/openshot/help-manual already
>> > exists, but does
>> > > not have a valid .bzr directory. Supply
>> > --use-existing-dir to push
>> > > there anyway.
>> > > In fact i don't undersand something, According to
>> > the doc, i must
>> > > create a branch to have acces at another. To have
>> > the code, i have
>> > > understand but to participate really no.
>> > > Ten minutes after this words, i have done something
>> > and i have now a
>> > > folder help-manuel empty, that's normal ? So now i
>> > have a folder for
>> > > the help-manual and the software.
>> > > In all cases, it's not my day.
>> > > I have tried to create a virtualization of two
>> > ubuntu (32 and 64 )
>> > > that's out.
>> > > I have tried the new version (0.94), it's the same
>> > thing (it's crashed
>> > > when i import a file!!!)
>> > > i have play with openshot (old version i have yet
>> > acces thanks to
>> > > helen) and i don't find how have more time with the
>> > transitions
>> > > i have not all understand with bazaar
>> > > Thes points positif are for lprod (it a good new
>> > because the software
>> > > has been to test without my intervention, i have
>> > said that the french
>> > > communauty have seen the first post on sum-up) and
>> > the second i have
>> > > modified the french page of wikipedia on
>> > AVCHD.(another thing that
>> > > i've never done).
>> > > I 'm reading the dockbook and for the moment, i
>> > understand, it 's a
>> > > good point.
>> > > Now, i'm going to rip a little film that i have done
>> > this morning
>> > > about my little river which will complate the film
>> > about my little
>> > > cat.
>> > > If you want speak on gtalk, you can (and i have
>> > success to work
>> > > pidgin).
>> > > Tchao
>> > > Olivier
>> > > Oh another last question: how you do to have at the
>> > end all the links
>> > > like this:
>> > > Mailing list:
>> > https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers<https://launchpad.net/%7Eopenshot.developers>
>> > > Post to :
>> > openshot.developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Unsubscribe :
>> > https://launchpad.net/~openshot.developers<https://launchpad.net/%7Eopenshot.developers>
>> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
>> > >
>> > > 2009/7/18 Helen McCall <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > Thanks for that Jonathan,
>> > >
>> > > I'll have a look at it tomorrow or Sunday.
>> > >
>> > > I think Olivier means he needs to generate a
>> > key first so he
>> > > can upload
>> > > to Launchpad. I generated my key when I
>> > first registered.
>> > >
>> > > I took a break from XML coding, and got to
>> > work on building
>> > > the correct
>> > > form of directory structure to base the
>> > whole documentation
>> > > package on.
>> > > I've started writing the Makefiles and other
>> > control and
>> > > information
>> > > files needed.
>> > >
>> > > It is coming along slowly because I'm having
>> > to learn how to
>> > > do things
>> > > at every stage. :~)
>> > >
>> > > I keep wondering what comments this Manual
>> > will get from
>> > > 66666er! I
>> > > suspect that kid is aged 13 and 3/4!
>> > >
>> > > I'm going to bed now because I'm exhausted.
>> > I'm getting up
>> > > early
>> > > tomorrow to go out with a friend.
>> > >
>> > > Tchao, Helen
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 17:21 -0500, Jonathan
>> > Thomas wrote:
>> > > > I'm not sure if you are familiar with
>> > bazaar (the source
>> > > control in
>> > > > LaunchPad). You need to create a local
>> > bzr repository with
>> > > your
>> > > > folder / files. Then commit your changes
>> > locally. And
>> > > finally, push
>> > > > your local commits to your new branch:
>> > > >
>> > lp:~openshot.developers/openshot/help-manual
>> > > >
>> > > > After you get it setup, you only have to
>> > commit changes, and
>> > > push them
>> > > > back to bazaar. It's quite easy after
>> > it's all setup.
>> > > >
>> > > > Bazaar in 5 minutes:
>> > > >
>> >
>> http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/latest/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > -Jonathan
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Olivier
>> > Girard
>> > > <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > Helen
>> > > > That's good i have found (i'm
>> > thinking) but we must
>> > > have a key
>> > > > for upload the manuel.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Olivier
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 2009/7/17 Olivier Girard
>> > <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > > Helen
>> > > > Sorry i'm now on launchpad
>> > but i don't find
>> > > the new
>> > > > branch for the manuel.
>> > > > Olivier
>> > > >
>> > > > 2009/7/17 Olivier Girard
>> > > <eolinwen@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Helen
>> > > >
>> > > > It's a very good
>> > job. i have a
>> > > little speak on
>> > > > gtalk with
>> > jonathan for the first
>> > > time. Now he
>> > > > have a meeting but
>> > Would you join
>> > > us. But how
>> > > > at tree, i don't
>> > know. We could
>> > > speak about
>> > > > the manuel.
>> > > > Olivier
>> > > >
>> > > > 2009/7/17 Helen
>> > McCall
>> > > >
>> > <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Good
>> > thinking!
>> > > >
>> > > > I'll add
>> > you to the
>> > > Authors. :-)
>> > > >
>> > > > Tchao,
>> > Helen
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri,
>> > 2009-07-17 at 14:41
>> > > -0500,
>> > > > Jonathan
>> > Thomas wrote:
>> > > > > Sounds
>> > great Helen! Let
>> > > me know
>> > > > once you
>> > publish your files
>> > > into the
>> > > > >
>> > help-manual branch. Also,
>> > > I would
>> > > > be happy
>> > to author some of
>> > > the
>> > > > > sections
>> > of the
>> > > help-manual, once I
>> > > > get some
>> > free time. Once we
>> > > are
>> > > > > all
>> > happy with the
>> > > structure of the
>> > > > manual,
>> > maybe we could split
>> > > up
>> > > > > some of
>> > the sections and
>> > > double-team
>> > > > it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Also, I
>> > have 70+ blog
>> > > entries on
>> > > > OpenShot,
>> > covering all sorts
>> > > of
>> > > > > topics.
>> > Lots of
>> > > screenshots also.
>> > > > Even
>> > though it's written in
>> > > a
>> > > > >
>> > different style than a
>> > > help manual,
>> > > > hopefully
>> > we will be able to
>> > > use
>> > > > > some of
>> > that content.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Thanks!
>> > > > >
>> > -Jonathan
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri,
>> > Jul 17, 2009 at
>> > > 2:23 PM,
>> > > > Helen
>> > McCall
>> > > > >
>> > > <wildnfree@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > Hello Olivier and
>> > > Jonathan,
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > I'm making
>> > > progress setting
>> > > > out the
>> > structure in Gnome
>> > > Help
>> > > > >
>> > format
>> > > > >
>> > (Docbook XML), and
>> > > I'm
>> > > > testing it
>> > in the Gnome Help
>> > > system
>> > > > >
>> > (Yelp) as I'm
>> > > > >
>> > going.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > I'm using
>> > > Jonathan's screen
>> > > > shots for
>> > now to save time.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > I've put in
>> > > credits:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > Authors: Helen
>> > > McCall and
>> > > > Olivier
>> > Girard
>> > > > >
>> > Contributor:
>> > > Jonathan Thomas
>> > > > >
>> > Translator:
>> > > Olivier Girard
>> > > > >
>> > OpenShot
>> > > Developer: Jonathan
>> > > > Thomas
>> > > > >
>> > OpenShot
>> > > Contributor: Andy
>> > > > Finch for
>> > the titling
>> > > system.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > Manual Copyright:
>> > > Helen
>> > > > McCall,
>> > Olivier Girard,
>> > > Jonathan
>> > > > >
>> > Thomas 2009
>> > > > >
>> > Publisher: Gnome
>> > > >
>> > Documentation Project
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > I've registered a
>> > > new branch
>> > > > in
>> > launchpad for the Manual:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > lp:~openshot.developers/openshot/help-manual
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > I've set the
>> > > "owner" to
>> > > > "OpenShot
>> > Developers" so we
>> > > can all
>> > > > >
>> > access it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > Tchao, Helen
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > list:
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