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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Israel,

Replying inline and at the end

Den 2015-06-01 15:02, Israel skrev:
> Hi!
> (inlines)
> On 06/01/2015 03:21 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>> Den 2015-05-28 23:36, Israel skrev:
>>> ..
>>>
>> Hi Israel,
>>
>> I found today that there is a new iso file dated May 29. I was alerted
>> about it by Ali's blog post. (I must have missed your alert about it.)
> Hi maybe my e-mail did not send, or I accidentally sent it to only one
> person instead... not sure..  sometimes I start writing an e-mail and
> get distracted by real life.
> The funny thing is I just got distracted by real life after I wrote that
> line :)  but I will send this one :)

Real life distractions - that is actually the meaning with life :-)

>>
>> *Live*
>>
>> ToriOS seems to work well in the live session.
>>
>> The network and the nm-applet work :-)
>>
>> The menus work as far as I can understand :-)
>>
>>
>> *Installing*
>>
>> It seems that update-grub is not running during installation, because
>> 'the other installed systems' are not available after installation at
>> the advanced OBI level. They appear after running
>>
>> sudo update-grub
>>
>> after booting into the installed system. Is this by intention or a
>> regression (that we must run update-grub in the installed system)?
> Ok, so this means the chroot update grub script it not getting run...  I
> will look into the script a bit more to see what is happening.

OK

>> *Installed*
>>
>> The network and the nm-applet work :-)
> yay!!

:-)

>> Batteri works mostly :-)
>>
>> - the battery status is displayed when hovering
>>
>> - suspend works
>>
>> - but it seems hibernate causes shutdown: the computer starts without
>> the opened apps. Maybe because I have too small swap space (less than
>> RAM). I can check with a bigger swap partition later on.
> I think it is a SWAP issue, as I use the basic Upower hibernate
> command... though I may need to call the sync command before.
> 
> Either way, I do not think it is ready for ToriOS, but we do not need it
> yet anyhow.  xfce-power-manager works well for 12.04.  But, I needed a
> battery monitor for 14.10 :)
>> I updated/upgraded and installed the HWE stack (with the trusty kernel),
>> and noticed there is a new batteri icon. Hovering no longer displays the
>> battery status but I can get an information window with a lot a data.
> Hmmmm... this it very strange.  I will have to test this out in 14.04 soon.

OK, hovering came back after reboot. It was gone temporarily after updating.

>> *Issues*
>>
>> 1. There are issues with the menus
>>
>> 1.1 mkusb is 9.1.5 in the installed system while it is 9.1.6 in the live
>> system.
> Hmmm... Oh!  I know, I didn't use unstable in the installed system.  Are
> you going to update the stable PPA?

Let us say mkusb is tested enough now, so that I can copy the unstable
version to the stable version. I'll try to do it today.

>> 1.2 Nothing happens when you select ImageMagick from the menu.
> Yes, Interprog recently reported this issue.  This will be fixed in the
> next release!
> Thank you for reminding me!
>> 1.3 In pcmanfm - applications:
>>
>> - Only some of the apps in Others have icons.
>>
>> What about replacing this misery with a symbolic link
>>
>> ln -s /usr/share/applications /Desktop
>>
>> It will bring a link on the desktop which opens pcmanfm with icons for
>> all apps. I don't mind having them all in the same window without
>> separation into categories. I even prefer it like that :-)
> Hmmm... I will look into this.  This isn't the live session, right?

Right - in the installed system.

>> 2. ztweaks is not available in the installed system. I would be happy if
>> you make it part of the installed ToriOS system (the tarball).
> Ok, we should possibly move ztweaks into its own package (rather than
> part of OBI)
> This way it will be easy to install on its own.  I need to work on OBI
> so I will try to do this soon.

OK, it will be a very small package, but it is probably be the best way
to do it.

>> 2.1 I think ztweaks helps with language settings for non-English
>> speakers and for quick switching between the default US keyboard and the
>> local keyboard.
>>
>> 2.2 Many people (including me) have problems with the touchpad when
>> using laptops and netbooks. The simple on-off touchpad management in
>> ztweaks makes it convenient to fix that, particularly when ztweaks is
>> autostarted.
>>
>> -o-
>>
>> I have not yet tried to make a tarball in this system and later on
>> trying to install that system (to test if the network will work in the
>> final system).
>>
> I look forward to this test!
> Thanks for all the feedback!!
>> Best regards
>> Nio


Now I have created some tarballs (no fancy tweaking, just for testing so
far) and tested them.

1. It works to create a tarball in my installed ToriOS system and to
install it using the same installed ToriOS system.

2. It works to create a tarball in a live system with persistence and to
install it using the same live system with persistence.

3. It does not work cross-wise: The installed ToriOS system cannot use a
tarball made with the live system, and the live ToriOS system cannot use
a tarball made with an installed system. This is not necessary, but it
would be nice with tarballs that are portable between the systems.

Conclusion about tarballs:

The current version uploaded May 29 is improved compared to that
uploaded May 24. Now it is possible to get both the network and
nm-applet working when using an installed ToriOS system.

If the computer boots from USB, I think it is more convenient and also
more stable to use an installed system than a persistent live system to
create and store the tarballs. They can reside in the directory
'/tarballs'. The storage is only limited by the size of the pendrive,
there is no CD size limit :-)

You might say that the circle is closed. We have a ToriOS system similar
to that of the original One Button Installer. But that is not true. The
development can be illustrated with a helix, and the installed ToriOS
system and its OBI-installer are improved.

When ToriOS is getting stable (we are there or almost there now), I
intend to make a nice 'installed ToriOS' system with some more installed
packages including the OBI-installer. The intention with this system is
to install it with mkusb into a USB pendrive (I'd recommend a fast USB 3
pendrive), and to use it in systems that boot from USB (so systems from
around 2003 and newer).

Best regards
Nio

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