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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Nio,
I think the OBI option would be good.  Though I think for ToriOS 1.0 we
will need to simply stick with what we have for right now.

But I think this will be something I will investigate further for later
usage.  It may not provide much extra benefit.  Though it may... However
I am going to concentrate on the major issues for now.

I was kinda hoping someone would know more about whether this was
doable... though I do think it should be....  I may do some testing but
there are some things I need to finish before I start something else :)

On 09/14/2014 11:11 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi Israel,
>
> I do not fully understand how an installation along those lines should
> work. But I know that you understand a lot about creating a full
> operating system, so I encourage you to try it; to do what you want with
> a much smaller foot-print than doing it with ubiquity.
>
> Another option might be to extend the OBI to take advantage of an
> existing home partition; to let you include it or copy it to be used in
> the system that is being installed.
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2014-09-14 22:37, Israel skrev:
>> Hi all,
>> I agree in both respects.
>> The target system is something that will freeze up using ubiquity....
>> however,
>> our target is also people that want a lightweight environment that is
>> fairly easy to set up, and is fully customizable.  This would make using
>> Ubiquity ideal for some people... however,
>> I have an idea that we could in effect partition the harddrive for the
>> user based on a few options, and detecting what is already on the
>> machine (is it Linux, or not?).
>> Then make a chroot on the computer from stored packages in /var/apt/cache
>> and install grub2 to it.... and voila.
>> It could be a simple dialog program that asks a couple of questions, and
>> runs basically the script we already have to build the Live CD, but uses
>> /dev/sdX mounted at /mnt/OS as the chroot directory.  it could
>> potentially link /dev/sdN as the /home of the new system.
>>
>> Phill, does this seem reasonable?  Am I missing something major in what
>> I understand here?  This seems like what Ubiquity would be doing in essence.
>>
>> On 09/14/2014 10:33 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> No, I'm not joking, Phill :-D
>>>
>>> Ubiquity should not be the only installer, because it has a heavy
>>> foot-print, as you wrote. I certainly agree with you about that.
>>>
>>> But I think many people 'need it' to set up their system in an advanced
>>> way, with several partitions or with OEM.
>>>
>>> For OEM it is enough to include ubiquity in the tarball and not in the
>>> installer (live system). We can consider that.
>>>
>>> -o-
>>>
>>> But I suggest that we do *not* include ubiquity in the present version
>>> of ToriOS.
>>>
>>> The alternate installer is an entirely different concept without a live
>>> session. It would create a doublet system, that I do not think we should
>>> bother about for ToriOS. The OBI needs much less RAM than the alternate
>>> installer, and it is much faster and much more stable, particularly with
>>> low end computers.
>>>
>>> Who needs a very complicated partition system on a very old and weak
>>> computer? I think some people want it, but do they really need it? Many
>>> people (including me) are happy with one root partition, one swap
>>> partition and a *data partition*, that need not be included in the
>>> system setup, and that can be managed separately for pictures, music,
>>> video, etc). This is easily set up with gparted and used by the OBI at
>>> the advanced OBI level.
>>>
>>> It might be different in a more powerful computer, but then ubiquity can
>>> do the job.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>>>
>>> Den 2014-09-14 16:51, Phill Whiteside skrev:
>>>> WHAT????
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14 September 2014 15:22, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     So even I would say that ubiquity should be bundled with ToriOS, maybe
>>>>     not in the first version, but in the next version, or in a DVD version
>>>>     (oversized for CD disks), while we must keep a very lean CD version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you are joking. 
>>>>
>>>> Use the alternate installer as per lubuntu. A lot of the machines you
>>>> are aiming for could not run ubiquity! Lubuntu runs on less than what
>>>> Ubiquity needs.
>>>>
>>>> Just my thoughts,
>>>>
>>>> Phill.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw
>>


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