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[Zisu Andrei <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx>]

What would you think about having a library different video and music views
depending on what's playing?

Zisu Andrei


On 8 March 2013 17:30, Rasmus Eneman <Rasmus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Combined players never work out that good on music that music players do.
>
> Movies are consumed in a quite different way and requires a quite
> different UI.
>
>
> 2013/3/8 Daniel Holm <d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> I want separated players. That's it. If anyone is willing to create
>> support for that, or if everyone likes it I could support it. But I much
>> rather have them split. We have a beautiful video player already. Also I'm
>> a user who uses separated players, just as you use one. And I get it. Just
>> not in my wish list.
>> Den 8 mar 2013 13:16 skrev "Joey Jiao" <joey.jiaojg@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Why it's just music player. I use mplayer/smplayer on desktop. I believe
>>> it should be better multi player? Meanwhile wish it support FM and plugins
>>> for all possible multimedia.
>>> 在 2013-3-8 下午8:02，"Zisu Andrei" <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx>写道：
>>>
>>>> Uhm... we should probably standardise a mailing list naming convention
>>>> across core-apps, which is why I think this should be discussed as a
>>>> different email here on the list.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest starting a bit more abstract then that, based on a few
>>>> use-cases and scenarios. This way, by the time you get to designing things,
>>>> you have a rough idea of what you should do.
>>>>
>>>> Zisu Andrei
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 March 2013 11:57, Daniel Holm <d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I do think we should move the discussion away from here, so I'm
>>>>> off to the teams mail list from now on. I just sent out a mail, which I
>>>>> pasted below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael, I agree with you that we should probably be talking now first
>>>>> hand and writing it down. See the mail below.
>>>>>
>>>>> Zisu, agreed. Its better if we try to work together instead of having
>>>>> all these different projects. At least in the beginning. Although I might
>>>>> say that I want a separated music and video player. But remote things
>>>>> sounds nice. Using mod this would be easier.
>>>>>
>>>>> And about Umedia, I'm thinking about reusing, almost porting, the
>>>>> whole thing for this project. But this is a discussion for the team.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mail:
>>>>> Hi everyone and welcome,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we should start of my deciding what we want this application
>>>>> to be. So I propose that everyone, who'd like, write down what features
>>>>> they want, and then we discuss these features and if we all agree with
>>>>> therm, create a blueprint and a goal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Features for the first release is primary focus, but features for
>>>>> later versions are welcome too, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I want the player to do:
>>>>> * play music tracks of a diverse container from local device.
>>>>> * pause track, and use previous and next track.
>>>>> * being able to shuffle
>>>>> * Scrabble tracks
>>>>> * use slider to move quickly in the track
>>>>> * download and show album art automatically.
>>>>> * use playlists,create and edit them.
>>>>> * sort by artist, album and track
>>>>> * sound menu for global management.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the features I could imagine for later on :
>>>>> * support for upnp
>>>>> * for ampache
>>>>> * groveshark/spotify.
>>>>> * YouTube support
>>>>> * lyrics
>>>>>
>>>>> Please share your ideas and create a base of our development.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>> Den 8 mar 2013 11:27 skrev "Zisu Andrei" <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm really new to QML and am still figuring out a lot of stuff, so my
>>>>>>> code is not beautiful..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May I say hold your horses until we find a suitable architecture for
>>>>>> both the backend and the frontend? Mybalsamiq should probably do it for
>>>>>> both, and we can more easily follow discussions for each over there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the backend side of things, I quite like mpd side of things
>>>>>> rather than plugging in to the low-level gstreamer. We should sketch out a
>>>>>> structure for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the front-end side of things, I think we should probably wait for
>>>>>> Canonical to publish their application and see where we can take it from
>>>>>> there, but we can definetely brainstrom until then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see some nice ideas regarding remote control. We should probably
>>>>>> think about integrating controlling something with the phone and maybe
>>>>>> having the phone plugged into the tv and allowing it to be controller
>>>>>> (maybe a bluetooth keyboard).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, we need to sort out the level of integration between the Music
>>>>>> Player and the Video player. I would quite like to see a very integrated
>>>>>> manner. Maybe even have them as one: Player (like VLC).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Akash, what do you mean by global control? I'm thinking the same kind
>>>>>>> of global media buttons as in the sound indicator, is that what you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone asked a really interesting question regarding global control.
>>>>>> The way Ubuntu currently doess it is through DBus, displaying play/pause
>>>>>> and next track in the Sound menu. However, it seems like they have become
>>>>>> more like settings controls in Ubuntu Phone and I am not entirely sure how
>>>>>> they will look in 14.04. Maybe someone in Canonical can enlighten us on
>>>>>> this issue? My thought on this is, use the same pattern, as it goes nicely
>>>>>> with the other menus, like Messeging and the like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Zisu Andrei
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 March 2013 08:43, Michael Zanetti <michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday 07 March 2013 21:02:52 Daniel Holm wrote:
>>>>>>> > I set up a team on Launchpad: https://launchpad.net/~touchmusicapp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not exactly sure what's the process for setting up such
>>>>>>> projects, but
>>>>>>> seems ok for me. I'll ask Michael Hall if its ok to proceed with
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think there are some interesting ideas in this thread alread and
>>>>>>> we should
>>>>>>> start writing them down somewhere to decide what we want/need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also this thread is growing quite big and I agree that it would make
>>>>>>> sense to
>>>>>>> move to a separate mailing list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Br,
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> >    Daniel Holm
>>>>>>> >    IT Consultant
>>>>>>> >    Web Developer
>>>>>>> >    Student
>>>>>>> >    d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> >    http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > 2013-03-07 18:41, Diego Sarmentero skrev:
>>>>>>> > > On 03/07/2013 02:38 PM, Daniel Holm wrote:
>>>>>>> > >> Hi Diego,
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> You are very much welcome to join if you like.
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> I can see that you got pretty far(!) with your UMedia. It looks
>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>> > >> The thing that I'm most concerned about is just moving along
>>>>>>> Ubuntu's
>>>>>>> > >> UI guidelines. But the rest looks pretty much like the features
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> > >> all, that I'd like.
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Yes, i agree the UI is not the best, i was thinking to redo that
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>> > > also, i wasn't happy about the UI/UX
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >> Would you like to help out?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > > Of course, where is the team to join?
>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>> > >> Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >>    Daniel Holm
>>>>>>> > >>    IT Consultant
>>>>>>> > >>    Web Developer
>>>>>>> > >>    Student
>>>>>>> > >>    d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> > >>    http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>> > >> 2013-03-07 18:29, Diego Sarmentero skrev:
>>>>>>> > >>> On 03/07/2013 02:22 PM, Sid Payton wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>> Hey Michael,
>>>>>>> > >>>> Are you working on a Xbmc remote for Ubuntu Touch? That would
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> > >>>> great. Do you have a API to control XBMC? If so could you
>>>>>>> pass me a
>>>>>>> > >>>> copy? Thanks.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>> Am 07.03.2013 11:28 schrieb "Michael Zanetti"
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>> <michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>>>>>> michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     Hey Jouni,
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     Would be great to see those. I will most likely port over
>>>>>>> > >>>>     PlayMee too and
>>>>>>> > >>>>     could use some great design. Most likely I can reuse most
>>>>>>> of it
>>>>>>> > >>>>     for Xbmcremote
>>>>>>> > >>>>     too.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     Michael
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     On Thursday 07 March 2013 10:12:03 Jouni Helminen wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > Hey guys,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > We've done some nice new designs for a core music app at
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     Canonical - we
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > could share these soon and see if it makes sense to use
>>>>>>> them as a
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > starting point for the UI?
>>>>>>> > >>>>     >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > Thanks
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > Jouni Helminen
>>>>>>> > >>>>     >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > Lead Designer
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > Ubuntu Touch
>>>>>>> > >>>>     >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > On Thu Mar  7 02:32:52 2013, Akash wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > > As far as global control of the app goes, i think we
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     place
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > > something in the sound part of the system services!
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > > On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Veritatem Ignotam wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >     I like where it's going. Good work!
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >     If you decide to go the MPD route, there's a small
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     daemon called
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >     mpdscribble which can do the last.fm <
>>>>>>> http://last.fm>
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     <http://last.fm> reporting.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >     V.I.
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >     On 03/06/2013 08:53 PM, Daniel Holm wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     Hi,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     Lovely!
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     The code is up, and its quite simple - though it
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     doesn't really
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     do what I want it to yet..
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     I'm studying at the University of Gothenburg full
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     time, and this
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     app is kind of my free time project between
>>>>>>> books and
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     papers to
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     hand in, so I haven't had the time to submit any
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     images - until now:
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> http://owncloud.danielholm.se/public.php?service=files&t=71d2604924
>>>>>>> > >>>>     bd
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     ad57493165cb4705b554
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> http://owncloud.danielholm.se/public.php?service=files&t=a057005a81
>>>>>>> > >>>>     3
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     33026810a708842deaed6
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     The huge icon is just a place holder for a album
>>>>>>> cover.
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>       Daniel Holm
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>       IT Consultant
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>       Web Developer
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>       Student
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >> d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >> http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>     2013-03-07 01:43, Akash skrev:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     Hey,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     I would love to start contributing on the music
>>>>>>> app too!
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     But i'm just wondering, before diving into
>>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     coding,
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     don't you want to design the UI and get an idea
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     community if it follows the guidelines or not?
>>>>>>> Yes we
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     could all
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     download the code and try running it ourselves
>>>>>>> to see
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     the UI but
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     i'm just wondering because its going to be
>>>>>>> easier to put
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     pictures of the app design :)
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>     On Wednesday, March 6, 2013, Daniel Holm wrote:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         Hi again,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         I've started on the UI and just done some
>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     stuff. I
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         created this in like two hours. I'm still
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     figuring out a lot
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         of things since I've never coded an app and
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     usually code web.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         But it's a lot of fun, so we'll see where
>>>>>>> it takes.
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         And perhaps it's better to use mpd, which
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     said earlier.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         We'll have to code a cover downloader,
>>>>>>> srcobble
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     support and
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         more, though.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         Anyways, here is my repo:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     https://launchpad.net/musicapp
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>          Daniel Holm
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>          IT Consultant
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>          Web Developer
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>          Student
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>> d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>> http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>         Den mån  4 mar 2013 23:39:04 skrev Daniel
>>>>>>> Holm:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             Hi again,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             I've started to code on this
>>>>>>> application now.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     I don't
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             know if I should
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             set up a separate project on Launchpad,
>>>>>>> or what?
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             It's just a little piece of the UI, but
>>>>>>> hey -
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     it's a
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             start ;)
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             I'd like some pointers since this is my
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     application.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             Vänlig hälsning / Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>              Daniel Holm
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>              IT Consultant
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>              Web Developer
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>              Student
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>> d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:d.holmen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>> http://www.danielholm.se
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>             Den mån  4 mar 2013 20:13:11 skrev
>>>>>>> Daniel Holm:
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 Hi again,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 What a response! Wonderful!
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 I was thinking of Rhythmbox since
>>>>>>> its
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     bundled with
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 Ubuntu as default.
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 And you'll have the same playlists,
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     settings for eg.
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 Last.fm and such
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 things.
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 I'd love to see this becoming the
>>>>>>> default
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     music app
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 in Ubuntu Touch,
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 and I'd gladly share the work with
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     wanting to
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 join.
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 I'll try to create a UI demo in Qt
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     Creator later
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >>>                 this week, so I can
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > >
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > > --
>>>>>>> > >>>>     > > Adrenaline Junkie
>>>>>>> > >>>>
>>>>>>> > >>>>     --
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>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> Hi, some time ago i started a project intended to do a Music
>>>>>>> App to
>>>>>>> > >>> run on the desktop and the phone:
>>>>>>> > >>> https://github.com/saruneko/UMedia
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> You can see some videos of the app working here:
>>>>>>> > >>> http://www.saruneko.org/umedia
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> I don't know if you were considering something like that, i
>>>>>>> haven't
>>>>>>> > >>> add some code to that lately because i was busy with other
>>>>>>> stuff,
>>>>>>> > >>> but let me know if that could be of any use.
>>>>>>> > >>>
>>>>>>> > >>> Regards!
>>>>>>>
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