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[Sid Payton <sidpayton@xxxxxxxxx>]

If I understood today Community Hangout correctly (which isn't necceserally
the case since I was only listening with one ear while working, but I'm
pretty sure) the new scope will come to the store. They only have to work
out some logistics before it can happen.

Looking foreward to it.
Am 13.02.2015 23:23 schrieb "Niklas Wenzel" <nikwen.developer@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Please don't get me wrong here. I don't have any problem with Canonical
> developing scopes exclusively for certain manufacturers. Instead, I believe
> this is a good thing as it first of all generates income and secondly makes
> it easier for manufacturers to get their handsets out.
> However, I'd also be very glad if we see some basic scopes (apart from
> Music and Videos) in the open source images one day.
>
> Or maybe a group of developers decides to clone them in a big open source
> project. Sadly, I already have so many projects which keep me busy...
>
> 2015-02-13 22:54 GMT+01:00 John Nelson <thatguruguy@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
>> I think that of phone manufacturers are paying Canonical for exclusive
>> scopes, the scopes should stay exclusive. The OS should be open source and
>> generally available, but there needs to be an incentive to phone
>> manufacturers to carry the OS on their phones, and custom-made extensions
>> to the OS (e.g., custom scopes, or any other customizations that can be
>> cooked up) should be available for Canonical to sell. As long as there
>> aren't any restrictions place upon the community to produce open source
>> versions of the scopes.
>> On Feb 13, 2015 2:10 PM, "Sid Payton" <sidpayton@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you very much for bringing this up and answering some of my
>>> question I also had.
>>>
>>> I agree with Niklas to the point that I also believe that all scopes
>>> developed by Canonical (to which I believe the today and nearby scope
>>> count) should be released to every phone manufactorer and develpment-phone
>>> (Nexus 4).
>>> I bought my Nexus 4 in 2013 just to try out Ubuntu and be able to
>>> promote it to friends and family as soon it was ready.
>>> So would feel a little bit disapointed if I couldn't enjoy the full
>>> Ubuntu experiance. Also this influences my ability to show Ubuntu off to my
>>> friends, since scopes are the biggest feature.
>>>
>>> If on the other hand those aggregator scopes (today, nearby etc) were
>>> developed by BQ, things would look totally different. Manufactorers need to
>>> differentiate themself. And I tip my hat to you guys it's allready working.
>>> At least on me.
>>> If those scopes are BQ specific, I'm really looking forward what Meizu
>>> can deliver. And if I let my head dream a little what might be possible,
>>> it's gonna be really hard to deside weather to get the BQ or the Meizu. No
>>> longer is it just who is cheaper or has the better Hardware, but also who
>>> has the better service (scopes).
>>>
>>> But if those scopes are really from BQ, I would vote, that some basic
>>> most needed scopes (such as today and nearby) should be developed by
>>> Canonical and shiped with all Ubuntu phones. These scopes are essential.
>>> The manufactorers shouldnt need to create all the nessesarry scopes
>>> themself.
>>> Just some special services and new inovations.
>>>
>>> But also, if those scopes are made by Canonical, I thing it would be a
>>> good thing to make different ones for Meizu and keep all those cool new
>>> scopes away from the Nexus 4 for the next couple of months. This way
>>> manufactorers would see what is possible and how to really differentiate.
>>> It would be the proof of concept. But after some demonstration for the
>>> manufactorers please open them to your community (Nexus 4), we (at least I)
>>> would really appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Am 13.02.2015 15:33 schrieb "Niklas Wenzel" <nikwen.developer@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >:
>>>
>>>> Hi Pat,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your valuable input. I apologize for not coming
>>>> back to you earlier, as I've been busy with my "offline life".
>>>>
>>>> I would be very glad if the scopes get released for all phones in the
>>>> future, as what I really like about Ubuntu is its openness. However, I can
>>>> also understand if manufacturers decide they do not want to do so. After
>>>> all, scopes help them differentiate their phones...
>>>>
>>>> With regards to their speeds, I haven't thought of the different screen
>>>> sizes of the Nexus 4 and the BQ Aquaris yet. This finally explains why the
>>>> Aquaris seemed to be slightly faster than the Nexus 4 in the video. My
>>>> guess was that the support for the Aquaris was better due to a fact that it
>>>> generated income, but your explanation is totally plausible!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very, very much for your answer again. I really appreciate
>>>> it. :)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Niklas
>>>>
>>>> 2015-02-10 19:46 GMT+01:00 Pat McGowan <pat.mcgowan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Niklas Wenzel <
>>>>> nikwen.developer@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Niklas
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the last few days, I've come up with a few questions which I
>>>>>> haven't found answers to yet:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Some time ago, I read that the Nexus 4 is still going to be
>>>>>> supported after the launch of the BQ phone.
>>>>>> Now I'm wondering whether the new set of scopes (Today, Nearby, etc.)
>>>>>> will be included in the mako images. Has that been decided on yet or is
>>>>>> their source code available somewhere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no shot term plan to release these but I will try to get some
>>>>> more information.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) How does the BQ phone's performance compare to the Nexus 4? I saw
>>>>>> the Youtube video [1] which Szymon Waliczek uploaded some days ago (thank
>>>>>> you, Szymon) but I found it difficult to judge from it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it depends, the Nexus 4 has more processing power but because
>>>>> the BQ Aquarius screen has less resolution some UI oriented things are
>>>>> faster.  But the Aquarius has half the memory so applications are "stopped"
>>>>> more often. Overall the two seem comparable to in responsiveness me but
>>>>> others may have more specific data.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) What is going to be the development target in the future? Will the
>>>>>> main focus be on the Nexus 4 or the BQ phone? Or will it be some phone
>>>>>> nobody currently knows about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Nexus 4, the Nexus 7 for tablet and the emulator will be the
>>>>> reference targets for the foreseeable future, Of course the commercial
>>>>> products like the BQ will be supported as they come along.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Pat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be very glad if anyone here would be so kind as to take the time
>>>>>> and answer one of my questions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much in advance. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Niklas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXGbRnfqSss
>>>>>>
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