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[Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx>]

Den 28. aug. 2011 07:55, skrev huff:
> I also did a test with my eyes closed, just to see how much it
> affected me not being able to see the buttons as all. I was
> able to hit the close button 8 of 10 times when I had my eyes
> closed. I'd say the speed was about the same.
> What about the maximize button?  Or the minimize button?  Why the
> focus on the close button?  That's the easiest one anyway (if it's
> in the corner and the others are next to it).

The point is that you can get to within 20 pixels of any of
the buttons with your eyes closed and then the buttons
are visible. That is probably about as accurate as people
will get if they move the pointer quickly towards the buttons
in any case, so that means it doesn't harm that they're
not visible until the mouse is there.

> That's the part that I think you are are missing. I aim at things I 
> can see, not locations I have learned. The wait after the corner for 
> me would not be waiting for the buttons, but waiting for me to 
> identify where the one i want is. Normally I do that step while moving 
> the mouse, so it takes no extra time. 

I think you're wrong. I didn't even notice that they had been
hidden immediately. I'm not even entirely sure how I
noticed it, but I immediately liked it. Hence the subject.
It certainly hasn't slowed me down in any way.

> > Well. If it's such  great concern, then there's always other
> > shells or even operating systems.
> I may have to do that, but I will be sad about it.  I
> liked Ubuntu a lot up until I tried Unity for awhile.  I went back
> to Classic, and am just hoping that the next version of Unity works
> for me.  Which is why I signed up for this list in the first place.
Unity is a fairly small part of Ubuntu though. We have
at least ten different shells that I know of. There's probably
quite a few more. But I would recommend against taking a
strong stance before you've actually tried it. I think it works
very nicely.
> > But I haven't been able to find any real, unbiased, person who
> > has any complaints about it. I haven't found any arguments here
> > either, except for yours; "I don't like it."
> I most certainly am biased by what works for me.  Part of my job is
> designing interfaces, and I am quite familiar with what causes me
> to stumble.  So if "everyone" else "should" do it a different way
> than I (and some of them) prefer, and Ubuntu forces us to do it that
> other way, then so be it.  I will switch.
Ubuntu doesn't force anything. Gnome Shell is in the software
center, for instance. But you keep saying that it's wrong, but
you don't really provide any arguments to support that claim.
Perhaps Unity isn't the most suitable shell for the most technical
users, but it certainly seems user friendly to the less experienced.
> > Yes, but from what you're saying I don't think you've tested
> > it yourself, much less tested it on others. For instance, we've
> > never before had the buttons in the corner.
> I may have missed something in this thread, since the posts
> are so long, but being in the corner is not really helpful to me.
> If I can see them, it hardly matters to me where they are.

Right. If they aren't in the corner, then you have ti see them.
But since they're in the corner, you don't have to see them,
which makes the interface less confusing because there are
less clutter and useless controls.

Jo-Erlend Schinstad