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[Bartosz <gang65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi.

I forgot about bug link :-P :
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/917951

Regards
Bartosz

2012/1/20, Bartosz <gang65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi.
>
> I created the bug report for this issue.
>
> Could you please take a look at this?
>
> Best Regards
> Bartosz
>
> 2012/1/12, Bartosz <gang65@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> Hi Guys.
>>
>> Thanks for your comments.
>> I'm not familiar with the Ayatana process, so I have an question:
>>
>> Is any chance to improve the already opened applications icon look?
>> What is official process for this?
>> Who take the decision if the feature will be implemented or not?
>>
>> The "Backlight toggle" idea from me it was only suggestion (it is
>> really easy to enable/implement this feature, and it was tested by my
>> vision loose friend).
>>
>> If you don't like it I could suggest something else.
>> For example;
>>   Change size of backlight in Launcher. If the application is already
>> opened the backlight size will be big. If application is not run, then
>> backlight will be smaller.
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Bartosz
>>
>>
>> 2012/1/12, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>> Symbolic icons are better used for functions or tasks within an
>>> app/application/program (which I here use interchangeably). The back
>>> button
>>> in a browser.
>>>
>>> Who said the web browsers are broken? I use two to help stay organized.
>>> In
>>> one browser, I always have bookmarks, saved passwords and sessions,
>>> tabs,
>>> history, and auto fill for work, while in the other, I keep personal
>>> tabs,
>>> bookmarks, passwords, etc.
>>>
>>> How will the user know which app is set a default anyway? What if they
>>> want
>>> to change it? Short of looking in the settings or haphazardly opening it
>>> to
>>> find out, there isn't one.
>>>
>>> A good UI will balance form and function. You don't want to try and
>>> adapt
>>> function to fit form; if you have to go one way or the other, it's much
>>> better to sacrifice form for function. Symbolic icons are unintuitive
>>> and
>>> very confusing to new users, and they serve very little function since
>>> the
>>> current, branded icons are symbolic anyway.
>>>
>>> --Ian Santopietro
>>>
>>> "Eala Earendel enlga beorohtast Ofer middangeard monnum sended"
>>>
>>> Pa gur yv y porthaur? Public GPG key (RSA):
>>> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?
>>> op=get&search=0x412F52DB1BBF1234
>>> On Jan 12, 2012 12:58 AM, "frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx" <
>>> frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 08:12, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11 January 2012 18:27, frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <frederik.nnaji@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > symbolic icons, not desaturated corporate branding icons.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a very bad idea for Canonical to tweak the Firefox logo, and
>>>>> Mozilla is more of a non-profit than an "evil corporation". That
>>>>> Firefox's logo is nearly unrecognizable in Mint 12 is not a good
>>>>> thing. I don't believe Ubuntu can legally modify the Skype
>>>>> logo/trademarks anyway, but it's a bad idea so let's not even consider
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> agreed.
>>>> that's why we have symbolic icons which represent a functionality.
>>>> The functionality can then be executed by a branded app.
>>>> Think of the symbolic icon as a wrapper. That's foundation, platform,
>>>> Unity, rather than "app".
>>>> So to be more specific, a functionality (application) maps to an
>>>> executor:
>>>>
>>>> www-browser - [firefox|epiphany|chromium|opera|...]
>>>> instant-messenger - [empathy|pidgin|ekiga|skype|trillian|...]
>>>> file-manager - [thunar|dolphin|marlin|nautilus|mc]
>>>>
>>>> this way the last used "app" will be opened for the respective
>>>> functionality by "default", when the symbol representing the
>>>> functionality
>>>> is clicked.
>>>> and: freedom of choice remains untampered with. branding and logo
>>>> copyrights are unharmed.
>>>> to think "free" and "open" doesn't mean we should allow the chaos from
>>>> the
>>>> old notification area to bloom in the unity launcher, now that we put
>>>> an
>>>> end to it with symbolic indicator menus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> > does canonical want app developers to develop their UI or does
>>>>> > Ayatana
>>>>> aim at developing it themselves?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ubuntu developers maintain the platform or foundation including Unity;
>>>>> Ubuntu app developers write cool programs that can run on Ubuntu. And
>>>>> of course, not all Ubuntu developers are part of Canonical or the
>>>>> Design team.
>>>>>
>>>>> > remains the wording problem in the community.. what is "app" and is
>>>>> "app"
>>>>> > different from "application"? and what does "application" mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you like philosophical rabbit trails. "App" is a nice, current
>>>>> buzzword for a computer program, as you might install from a
>>>>> smartphone app store.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> my philosophical rabbit trail, explained:
>>>> In today's "buzzy" language, stuff is not defined precisely.
>>>> If you want to define a system interface on the other hand, you will
>>>> need
>>>> a precise-to-the-core language to do this.
>>>> If the wording used to define the system is not precise, the system's
>>>> architecture will reflect this imprecision on all structural levels.
>>>> Imprecision is an advantage in many situations, especially where you
>>>> need
>>>> randomness and entropy.
>>>> It should be used deliberately, when defining an architecture, which
>>>> will
>>>> be used by millions of people for many hours of their lives.
>>>>
>>>> "app" != "application"; application != unequal functionality
>>>> symbolic icon maps to functionality
>>>> branding icon maps to "executing implementation"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, back to the original topic. I'm glad that the original poster
>>>>> was able to set up Ubuntu relatively easily with larger, more visible
>>>>> icons. I agree that the launcher arrows are not obvious enough; maybe
>>>>> the designers will try to make them better in the coming weeks.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i'm curious to find out what that will feel like..
>>>>
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