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Re: Via Stitching
Hi
Now via->pour chain is recovering.
Heikki
https://youtu.be/HuViOfQmcrU
On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Heikki Pulkkinen <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made some new features. Now it is possible chaining copper pours with
> Vias. This video show, how it works at the moment.
>
>
> Heikki
>
> https://youtu.be/91tT626XnbM
>
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 7:58 AM, Heikki Pulkkinen <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Wayne,
>>
>> I think that there is two places when user is "wrong" wit his/her will.
>> One is when there are not at least two pours to connect with and second is
>> that there must be at least one pad in connection chain. If antennas are
>> user will, it is better create component. I might be wrong, but that is how
>> I think it. I did some experimental development in my code which now keeps
>> vias netcodes Steven's ideas way, and take care of that there is connected
>> pad. These two videos show how that works. I try more other things when I
>> am back home again.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Heikki
>>
>> https://youtu.be/wXdVl4WXCJ8
>> https://youtu.be/5qe-XnVJwXs
>>
>> 27.10.2016 1.47 "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx> kirjoitti:
>>
>>> I'm just not comfortable with the connection algorithm reassigning via
>>> net codes to a zone's net code based on the zone/via intersection. This
>>> puts the responsibility of the connection on the project rather than the
>>> user. I'm OK if we suggest a net when the user is placing vias but the
>>> user has the final say and the via net code does not change unless the
>>> user explicitly changes it. I don't now how to make it any clearer than
>>> that. Someone would have to make a really impressive argument (read
>>> doctoral thesis) as to why we should allow kicad to determine
>>> connectivity rather than the user.
>>>
>>> On 10/25/2016 1:54 AM, Heikki Pulkkinen wrote:
>>> > Thanks Wayne to look at this and Steven for asking about connection
>>> logic.
>>> >
>>> > It is good to try explain what did you thought last summer. It clearer
>>> > things.
>>> >
>>> > There are main rule which connects top and bottom layer and second rule
>>> > connecting inner layers. And now I think that main rule is useless,
>>> > because second rule do all this connecting via to first two zones with
>>> > same netcode. This works well as far as zones are up the date. And that
>>> > is not always true. For example in DRC, if you forgot to refill zones
>>> > before running DRC, vias can corrupted to wrong net. Thats why running
>>> > first refilling zones in DRC, keeps vias right connected.
>>> > I found two another, and there might be more, situation when user can
>>> > accidentally damage connection. Cleanup and saving a board. Saving is
>>> > not that broblem, but opening is. But I have solution of them. Just
>>> > running zone filling algorithm before running ratsnest algorithm.
>>> > But usually, when working with via stitching, user keeps zones up to
>>> > date running refill to see what he or she have done. I know there is
>>> > always better solutions, but I can manage this at the moment before
>>> > there are official one. I know, if algorithm is different than mine it
>>> > does not ruin my designs.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers
>>> >
>>> > Heikki
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 24.10.2016 23.58 "Wayne Stambaugh" <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>> kirjoitti:
>>> >
>>> > I finally had a chance to look at this patch and I have similar
>>> > concerns. I thought I was pretty clear about *not* being
>>> comfortable
>>> > with making assumptions about via zone connections and always
>>> using the
>>> > assigned net code. I'm a bit concerned with the connection
>>> testing and
>>> > it's decision to change a via's net code depending on which
>>> zone(s) that
>>> > it intersects. I see this as an unacceptable risk for kicad to
>>> assume.
>>> > I would rather put the responsibility in hands of the user and
>>> just have
>>> > kicad complain when there is a drc issue.
>>> >
>>> > Please configure your editor to clean up trailing white space and
>>> fix
>>> > the other coding policy errors.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > Wayne
>>> >
>>> > On 10/23/2016 10:44 PM, Strontium wrote:
>>> > > Hello Heikki,
>>> > >
>>> > > Can you explain the logic you are using to determine the net of
>>> > the vias
>>> > > during DRC reconnect? It looks like you are only considering
>>> the top
>>> > > and bottom layer, but stitching vias may be stitching internal
>>> layers?
>>> > >
>>> > > Steven
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On 23/10/16 21:48, Heikki Pulkkinen wrote:
>>> > >> Hi Wayne and all,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> About that my suggestion of Via Stitching. I do some tests and
>>> found
>>> > >> that if DRC first fill zones and then do tests it does not break
>>> > >> anything. if you forgot to Fill or Refill zoenes before running
>>> DRC.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Heikki
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 6:41 PM, Heikki Pulkkinen
>>> > <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Hi Wayne,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> If you try this, I send the last full patch of that Via
>>> > Stitching.
>>> > >> Do not care other patches in mailing list, they are more or
>>> less
>>> > >> incomplete.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Heikki
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Wayne Stambaugh
>>> > >> <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I will look at when I get a chance. When that will be I
>>> > >> cannot say for
>>> > >> sure. I've just been really busy. I will try to get
>>> around
>>> > >> to it this
>>> > >> weekend.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Cheers,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Wayne
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On 10/17/2016 3:40 PM, Jakub Kozdon wrote:
>>> > >> > Hi, it looks usable.
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Don't know if it is visible for all, but Wayne, what
>>> do you
>>> > >> think about it?
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Jakub
>>> > >> >
>>> > >> > Dne 16.10.2016 v 19:23 Heikki Pulkkinen napsal(a):
>>> > >> >> Hi,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> I add array feature to my Via Stitching. And an
>>> another
>>> > >> slowly video
>>> > >> >> to watch.
>>> > >> >> https://youtu.be/28nfoZPg2bg
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Full fixed patch and array test patch. More work have
>>> > to be
>>> > >> done, but
>>> > >> >> this was easy start.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Regards
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Heikki
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Heikki Pulkkinen
>>> > >> <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:
>>> hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Here is demovideo about via stitching. It is
>>> slowly,
>>> > >> because of
>>> > >> >> slowly machine. I do some development too, so
>>> full
>>> > patch is
>>> > >> >> attached too.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Marcos Chaparro
>>> > >> >> <nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:nitrousnrg@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
>>> > >> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi Heikki,
>>> > >> >> is there any chance to make some screenshots
>>> or
>>> > >> video about
>>> > >> >> this? Some of us do compile kicad to get the
>>> > latest and
>>> > >> >> greatest but never applied a patch for a
>>> > particular
>>> > >> feature.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Regards
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Marcos
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Heikki
>>> Pulkkinen
>>> > >> >> <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Putting back that my via stitching tool
>>> to
>>> > >> routing tool.
>>> > >> >> It is better that way, I think. All via
>>> tools
>>> > >> are in same
>>> > >> >> place, and it adds vias to pours only
>>> from
>>> > hotkeys.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Heikki
>>> > Pulkkinen
>>> > >> >> <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Finally Via Stitching without tracks
>>> is at
>>> > >> zone tool.
>>> > >> >> I tested it little bit, but more
>>> tests are
>>> > >> needed.
>>> > >> >> This patch replace all other
>>> patches. Do
>>> > >> not use them,
>>> > >> >> use only this patch. I think this is
>>> worth
>>> > >> of try. I
>>> > >> >> am going to use it anyway, even if
>>> it do
>>> > >> not get any
>>> > >> >> acceptance. First patch is for Fedora
>>> > >> users. It makes
>>> > >> >> possible to build Kicad in Fedora
>>> release
>>> > >> wxWidgets
>>> > >> >> libs whitout building wxWidget from
>>> > source.
>>> > >> I do not
>>> > >> >> know has anybody else that problem,
>>> > but I had.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Heikki
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:46 PM,
>>> Heikki
>>> > >> Pulkkinen
>>> > >> >> <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> And I really practice. I made
>>> > >> improvement and
>>> > >> >> forgot to copy all. So
>>> improvement is
>>> > >> in these two
>>> > >> >> patches. I hope this suggestion
>>> is
>>> > >> accepted as a
>>> > >> >> new feature.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Heikki
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 2:31 PM,
>>> > Heikki
>>> > >> Pulkkinen
>>> > >> >> <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>>
>>> > >> >> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> As in practice, I made a
>>> patch
>>> > >> file of my
>>> > >> >> changes Not only diifs. It is
>>> > >> SHIFT-ALT-V
>>> > >> >> hotkey whitch make buried and
>>> > blind
>>> > >> vias, as
>>> > >> >> it is in routing too.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Heikki
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:25
>>> > PM, Heikki
>>> > >> >> Pulkkinen <
>>> hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> I made some improvements
>>> to my
>>> > >> patch of
>>> > >> >> via stitching. Now you
>>> can
>>> > just
>>> > >> point
>>> > >> >> copper pour place and
>>> press V,
>>> > >> it make
>>> > >> >> trough via. If you press
>>> > >> SHIFT+CTRL+V it
>>> > >> >> make buried or blind
>>> via.It
>>> > >> does not
>>> > >> >> change working layer.
>>> Only
>>> > when
>>> > >> you place
>>> > >> >> buried or blind via from
>>> > >> different layer
>>> > >> >> than it's layer pair is.
>>> I
>>> > >> think that it
>>> > >> >> is quite easy to shoot
>>> board
>>> > >> full of
>>> > >> >> copper pours connecting
>>> > vias. It is
>>> > >> >> possible to remove
>>> connecting
>>> > >> tracks from
>>> > >> >> old designs. Just delete
>>> > >> connection from
>>> > >> >> pad and use clenup. Only
>>> have
>>> > >> to remember
>>> > >> >> that if there are not at
>>> least
>>> > >> two copper
>>> > >> >> pours in same netcode in
>>> > >> different layers
>>> > >> >> via is deleted too. Any
>>> > support?
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Heikki
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at
>>> 3:06
>>> > >> PM, Heikki
>>> > >> >> Pulkkinen
>>> > <hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> > >> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
>>> > >> >> <mailto:
>>> hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx
>>> > <mailto:hei6mail@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Hi everybody,
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> This is my
>>> suggestion to
>>> > >> via stitching
>>> > >> >> without any tracks.
>>> It
>>> > connects
>>> > >> >> unconnected vias in
>>> > >> different copper
>>> > >> >> pours witch has same
>>> > >> netcode. Adding
>>> > >> >> vias is normal
>>> routing
>>> > >> process without
>>> > >> >> routing tracks.
>>> Start -
>>> > >> Change Layer -
>>> > >> >> End. Tool that do
>>> > those things
>>> > >> >> automatically would
>>> be
>>> > >> good, so you
>>> > >> >> can add all vias in
>>> same
>>> > >> layer. After
>>> > >> >> adding vias, run
>>> "Fill or
>>> > >> Refill All
>>> > >> >> Zones" that "Clenup
>>> tracks
>>> > >> and vias"
>>> > >> >> do not remove partly
>>> > >> connected vias.
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >> Heikki
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
>>> > >> >>
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Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
From: Jakub Kozdon, 2016-10-17
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Re: Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
From: Heikki Pulkkinen, 2016-10-23
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Re: Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
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Re: Via Stitching
From: Heikki Pulkkinen, 2016-10-29
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Re: Via Stitching
From: Heikki Pulkkinen, 2016-11-07
