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[Ryan Gauger <rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 03/01/2012 01:37 PM, Dylan McCall wrote:
> > What Windows does (XP/Vista/7/8 Consumer Preview) is immediately start
> > shutting down after you choose that option. When I want my computer to shut
> > down, I do not want my computer to try to negotiate something different
> > (confirmation dialog), I just want it to shut down. I don't know how someone
> > could accidentally choose the shutdown option when they did not want that to
> > happen, and after all, before finally shutting down, Ubuntu waits until all
> > applications can shut down (Libreoffice is one that displays a message
> > asking if you want to save changes or not, which is very helpful), then
> > shuts down. I do not think we need the confirmation window to open UNLESS
> > there are applications running which require a further user interaction to
> > close, like LibreOffice and Transmission, I know there are others too, which
> > require user interaction in some cases. Thanks!!!
> >
> > ---Ryan
> Windows also can't decide whether the Power button in its start menu
> should sleep, hibernate or shut down… so I'm not sure that's the best
> shutdown workflow to aspire to. Besides, Windows _does_ show a
> confirmation when there are applications running (and XP always has
> one), and I have lots and lots of circumstantial evidence to
> demonstrate that the approach in Vista and upwards doesn't work very
> well: I frequently see Windows PCs stuck at the "Are you sure you want
> to close these programs?" step. People are used to not having a
> shutdown confirmation, so they choose "Shutdown" and then leave, not
> expecting a confirmation step.
> I don't think it's at all sane to have an option that changes at
> random like that.
>
> Dylan
It lets you decide which option to display in on the Power button. So in 
this case, it is more customisable. So in this case, the power button in 
the Start Menu is not random. By default, it is set to "Shutdown", but 
you can change it to "Lock", "Hibernate", or "Sleep". I know this much 
because I used to use Windows 7 before I chose to switch completely to 
Ubuntu. Windows 7 does display an options to "Wait for programs to quit" 
or "Restart anyway". But does not allow other programs like 
Openoffice.org/Libreoffice to ask you if you want to save changes. 
Windows automatically tries to quit all programs when the option to wait 
or restart anyway are shown. But back on topic. What you said towards 
the end is completely what I was saying, so it does not make any sense 
to me that you are re-stating that. What I said was that people DO 
expect the computer to shut down WITHOUT the confirmation step. If 
people just hit the power off option in Ubuntu and walk away, the 
computer will not shut down at all. It will just sit there with the 
confirmation window open. Thanks!!!

---Ryan

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