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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Phill,

I'm not sure what is actually the method that would be successful for
most newcomers. I think that most people have been using Mörgæs's method
(starting from a 12.04 non-pae kernel, adding fake-PAE and upgrading)
and the Lubuntu fake-PAE 'grub-n-iso' method, but I think that
'installed system' and One Button Installer are actually easier.

So it would be interesting to find out :-)

But how can we do that? I think people who have a lot of experience are
the people who read our poll(s) and reply to it. Will their replies tell
us what is the easiest for newcomers? In other words, do we understand
what is easiest for newcomers ;-)

If I understood correctly, Jörn's original question was if we should
provide non-PAE kernels for those who need it, and then Mélodie
suggested that we should ask people if they need it, to find out how
many people need non-PAE kernels. Her poll in French asks about fake-PAE
too, maybe even mainly about fake-PAE, while I was concerned about
really old CPUs that have no PAE capability, so they are not helped by
fake-PAE (pre Pentium II and according to some wikipedia source maybe
some Pentium III CPUs).

So maybe I did not understand correctly ... anyway, there are different
questions to be asked

1. Do you need non-PAE kernels?

2. Could you benefit from fake-PAE kernels?

3. What is the easiest method to implement what newcomers need
(concerning old computers where Ubuntu's kernels with PAE cannot be
installed directly from the ISO file)?

Best regards
Nio

On 2013-10-18 03:46, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> hi,
> 
> can I suggest the vote is "which is easiest for new comers and provides
> upgrade capability". Offering people multiple answers to the same issue
> will only confuse them. Choose the best answer and use that; It is more
> important than 'are there people who need it'. 
> 
> Just my 2 cents worth,
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> On 18 October 2013 02:31, Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     On 2013-10-17 23:23, JM wrote:
>     > On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:04:58 +0200
>     > Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >> Hi Mélodie,
>     >>
>     >> It is OK for me that you start a poll in the French Ubuntu forums.
>     >
>     > Hi Nio,
>     >
>     > Done:
>     > Sondage : Lubuntu avec FAKE-PAE, êtes-vous concerné ? -
>     > http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?id=1396961
>     >
>     > I would have liked to point to the thread related to the topic
>     here at the mailing list,
>     > but the topic is mixed and also I can't find the right post, there
>     is no clear indicator
>     > in the archives related to the time it was posted.
>     >
>     > You can check, there are a bunch belonging to the present thread
>     marked as "(06.43 CEST)",
>     > for instance.
>     >
>     > Could you start a topic about kernels without pae and about the
>     spins done with the
>     > fake-pae upstart job?
>     >
>     > Else, what is on the download section of the fake-pae? img files?
>     How do you install that
>     > to hard drive? :)
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Mélodie
>     >
>     Hi Mélodie,
> 
> 
>     1. I'll follow your thread :-)
> 
> 
>     2. What do you mean by 'start a thread about kernels without pae and
>     about the spins done with the fake-pae upstart job'? There are several
>     such threads already at the Ubuntu Forums. Or do you mean a poll in
>     English? When logged in you can search the Ubuntu Forums for fake-pae,
>     and you will find pages of threads, one of them about a simple 'poll',
> 
>     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2143502&p=12640488#post12640488
> 
>     Maybe you, Jörn, should make the poll, if you want to, so that it will
>     ask *your* question(s) and not my interpretation of your intentions.
> 
> 
>     3. At the moment there are at least four ways to install systems with
>     fake-PAE, described indirectly by
> 
>     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE
> 
>     a. The method by Mörgæs at
>     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PAE
> 
>     b. Grub-n-iso
>     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/grub-n-iso
> 
>     c. Installed system
>     https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalledSystemFakePAE
> 
>     d. One Button Installer
>     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2172971
>     https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw/OBI
> 
>     *. How to install image files: Reverse the way they were created, in the
>     case of 'my' img.gz and img.xz files, there is help using the script
>     file 'mkusb' from
> 
>     http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1958073
> 
> 
>     Best regards
>     Nio
> 
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