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[Jo-Erlend Schinstad <joerlend.schinstad@xxxxxxxxx>]

Den 18. nov. 2011 04:51, skrev Omar B.:
> - the items that now hide inside the MM are the icons (or what used to be icons in the panel/systray).
>
> ref.
> https://a248.e.akamai.net/assets.github.com/img/15183cadf2a9cdd7781aea9a6a22b84455adf703/687474703a2f2f6935342e74696e797069632e636f6d2f32343136787a6f2e706e67

No, that is not true. The entries are in the menu all the time. It's 
just the window that's being hidden. It doesn't have anything to do with 
the indicator.
> - users used to spot these icons quickly
>
> ref.
> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/TALwoQRxZrI/AAAAAAAAIBY/4Wxk1JmG-34/s1600/Selection_002.png

Read Microsofts description of why that was a horrible idea and why 
they've wanted to get rid  of it for more than a decade. In short, that 
system was completely incomprehensible because all apps would work in 
completely different ways. Some would use left-click, others would use 
right click. Some would use double-click and still some would use 
middle-click. They also didn't symbolize things in a similar way, so you 
would have to understand every single icon separately.

You've completely drifted off course here, if your point was to make 
Unity easier to understand and learn.

It is very difficult for me to understand why you would force people to 
use Unity if they want a similar environment to Windows 95. Use Lxpanel 
instead. Actually, we have panels that make Ubuntu look exactly like 
Windows. It is an extremely bad idea to have as a main objective that 
Ubuntu should be automatically useable as long as you're accustomed to 
Windows.

Right. They're not used to it, and that seems to be your entire case. 
But it is not a valid argument. People used to say that about
movies too, before you got sound. «Nobody will ever want to hear an 
actor speak», they said. «People aren't used to it.» That was also used 
as an argument against the use of telephone. People were used to sending 
telegrams, so adding telephone would be a bad idea.

People were once used to entering commands, and the thought of using a 
mouse was difficult to understand. If your type of argument would win, 
we would still be entering commands for everything. You just can't let 
peoples habits get in the way of progress, because then there will be no 
progress.

Jo-Erlend Schinstad