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[Kristoffer Ödmark <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>]

Practially I would read this as:

Go back to the single calculator icon, instead of the +-= boxes.
Revert the camera icon to the "a" character, cleanup if wanted but dont 
change concept fundamentally.

Otherwise I went throught the old icons in my current build and checked 
them against the latest email. They are pretty similar, but much more 
polished and coherent, so I think that qualifies as being inside scope.

I like the gerber icon change, but that one, dont know if it is outside 
scope or not.

Wayne did i interpret correctly?

 -Kristoffer

On 01/10/2018 03:58 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> I see scope creep happening here.  I thought the original goal was to
> make some minor tweaks to our existing icons not wholesale replacement
> of the them.  I don't like the camera either.  I'm not a big fan of the
> calculator icon.  Both of these icons looks completely out of place with
> our other icons.  Please keep the scope of these changes in check.  If
> we want to discuss an entirely new icon theme for v6, that's fine at the
> appropriate time but not for v5.
>
> On 1/10/2018 9:42 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > Splendid!
> >
> > Although I agree with Kristoffer that the new bitmap2component icon
> > isn’t much help.  Import/Export is the one area where we’ve kept the
> > arrows (which I think is fine).  Given that, the pixelated “a” with an
> > import arrow would be perfect.
> >
> > FWIW, this is one area where I disagree with Nick.  I did user interface
> > design and software architecture for Adobe for 25 years and in my
> > professional opinion, these icons are a HUGE improvement.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> > > On 10 Jan 2018, at 14:28, Oliver Walters
> > > <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> > > <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >
> > >      Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> > >      diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> > >      someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> > >      arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have created a set of "common icons" for exactly this purpose :)
> > >   
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 1:27 AM, Kristoffer Ödmark
> > > <kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kristofferodmark90@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >      Wow, really nice! Although, the icon for the bitmap2component
> > >      basically looks like a screenshot symbol to me, or something
> > >      related to a webcam.
> > >
> > >      The old one isnt as polished, but I think it fits better.
> > >
> > >      Also, would it be too much to ask for getting the arrows, the
> > >      diskette and the folder in the repo with the patch, basically if
> > >      someone wants to create future icons. They could use the same
> > >      arrows for any kind of export, import, save, inspect or view.
> > >
> > >      Basically to help get a icon theme thing going ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >       -Kristoffer
> > >
> > >
> > >      On 01/10/2018 03:13 PM, Oliver Walters wrote:
> > >
> > >          Wayne,
> > >
> > >          Here is the outcome of removing the save / load arrows and
> > >          replacing with
> > >          standard load / save icons.
> > >
> > >          I have also further tweaked the main icons as per suggestions.
> > >
> > >          Screenshots here:
> > >
> > >          https://imgur.com/a/DzZhZ
> > >
> > >          This is about as far as I want to go with this, please let me
> > >          know if there
> > >          are any outstanding issues that prevent me from submitting a
> > >          patch.
> > >
> > >          Thanks,
> > >          Oliver
> > >
> > >          On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Oliver Walters <
> > >          oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> > >          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> > >
> > >              Ok, that's good to hear. I will take another look at the
> > >              Gerber icons and
> > >              otherwise see if anyone can suggest some simple clean
> > >              replacements for the
> > >              arrows. If not, I'll push a patch.
> > >
> > >              On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:05 AM, Wayne Stambaugh
> > >              <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>
> > >              wrote:
> > >
> > >                  One good thing about bitmaps is they are low risk
> > >                  (other than the
> > >                  complaining that will surely ensue) so we can merge
> > >                  them just about any
> > >                  time.  I don't want to wait too long so our doc images
> > >                  can be updated to
> > >                  reflect the changes so if we cannot come up with
> > >                  better alternatives to
> > >                  replace the arrows, I'm OK with leaving them as is and
> > >                  pushing it off
> > >                  until v6.
> > >
> > >                  Cheers,
> > >
> > >                  Wayne
> > >
> > >                  On 1/9/2018 3:31 PM, Jeff Young wrote:
> > >
> > >                      I think the changes are absolutely good in
> > >                      general, and I’d very much
> > >                      like to see them get merged.  Not that I have any
> > >                      control over that. ;)
> > >
> > >                      As for the arrows, I’d still really like to see
> > >                      them go away.  The
> > >                      colour isn’t the problem, it’s the arrows
> > >                      themselves. ANY of the
> > >                      alternatives discussed (that don’t include arrows)
> > >                      would be better.
> > >
> > >                      Cheers,
> > >                      Jeff.
> > >
> > >
> > >                          On 9 Jan 2018, at 20:13, Oliver Walters
> > >                          <oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> > >                          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >                          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx
> > >                          <mailto:oliver.henry.walters@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >                          The coloured arrows were already in place, all
> > >                          I have done is made
> > >                          them all the same "style". In fact, previously
> > >                          concepts like "save"
> > >                          and "load" were conveyed both with a downward
> > >                          pointing arrow, and the
> > >                          arrow colour was the only point of difference.
> > >
> > >                          I thought I had made an improvement on what
> > >                          was already existing. My
> > >                          intent was not to necessarily do a sweeping
> > >                          redesign.
> > >
> > >                          If this is now an additional requirement I can
> > >                          make these not arrows,
> > >                          but I'd like some direction on what to do
> > >                          instead. It will be hard to
> > >                          fit a more detailed icon.
> > >
> > >                          Other than this, what are your thoughts
> > >                          overall? Is it worth my time
> > >                          pursuing this further? Are these changes good
> > >                          in general and can you
> > >                          see them being merged?
> > >
> > >                          On 10 Jan 2018 04:44, "Wayne Stambaugh"
> > >                          <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > >                          <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >                          <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx
> > >                          <mailto:stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >                               On 1/9/2018 12:05 PM, Rene Pöschl wrote:
> > >                               > On 09/01/18 16:50, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
> > >                               >> I'm with Jose on the arrows.  If we
> > >                          are going to use them,
> > >                               please don't
> > >                               >> make the all different colors.  I
> > >                          don't see how a blue left
> > >                               arrow versus
> > >                               >> a magenta right arrow conveys any
> > >                          meaning to the user.
> > >                               >>
> > >                               >
> > >                               > I like the idea of coloring them
> > >                          differently. For me this will
> > >                               give an
> > >                               > additional way to distinguish the
> > >                          buttons. (Some of them have
> > >                               only the
> > >                               > direction of the arrow as a difference.
> > >                          Which is easily
> > >                               overlooked.) I
> > >                               > hope having different colors will make
> > >                          it easier for my brain to
> > >                               > remember which button does what. (I
> > >                          can't tell you how often i
> > >                               clicked
> > >                               > load symbol instead of update symbol
> > >                          while working on the
> > >                               reorganization
> > >                               > of the official lib.)
> > >
> > >                               What information does the different color
> > >                          arrow convey?  If you are
> > >                               using different colors for contrast, that
> > >                          is one thing but just
> > >
> > >                  making
> > >
> > >                               them different colors for informational
> > >                          purposes doesn't make any
> > >                               sense
> > >                               to me.  If you are trying convey
> > >                          information with different color
> > >                               buttons, what is the impact on users who
> > >                          are color blind.
> > >
> > >                               >
> > >                               > Maybe there is a better way to
> > >                          communicate differences but if
> > >                               buttons
> > >                               > look as similar as a lot of them
> > >                          currently do, adding
> > >                               differentiating
> > >                               > colors might help.
> > >                               >
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